Hermann Göring's Rings

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Post by MassHole » 21 Sep 2012, 21:07

my thoughts exactly, but if you look at the image i posted there are no pitted marks, its one of the first things i noticed comparing mine to the images of others posted. mine is completely smooth on the inside beside the hall marks, i thought i read it was a European size 13? i have no idea how ring sizing works so IDK? but yeah look at the image Bill from Alexander auctions posted of the inside of ring and look at the one i posted.Still im not saying mine is real as i dont know if there is anyway to ever prove it? but i am going to take it to my jeweler this weekend and check the sizing, i'll let you know.

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 20 Aug 2013, 17:11

This is yet another Göring ring that I came across just recently being auctioned off.

"GÖRING RING DESCRIPTION" from the I.R. Auction House, Rock Island, IL

—Constructed from 18 carat gold around a large radiant cut ruby measuring approximately 3/4 of an inch wide and 7/8 of an inch long, this ring has a number of features that suggest it was produced by Herbert Zeitner, top gold and silversmith in Nazi Germany to be worn by Hermann Göring. Göring positioned himself as the top hunting authority in the Reich, and as the situation degenerated for Nazi Germany as a whole and for Göring and his Luftwaffe in particular he invested more and more of himself into the hunt, retreating from the realities of the imminent loss of the war and the end of the Thousand Year Reich. Each side of the ring shows a raised engraved design, with one side bearing a conjoined "HG" monogram with traditional German-style oak leaf embellishment and the reverse bearing the German Hunter's Association logo, a ribbon marked "DJ" (Deutscher Jäger-Verein) beneath the head of a multi-point stag, a radiant swastika positioned between the antlers, an old symbol of Saint Hubertus, patron saint of hunting, one of many symbols repurposed and defaced by the Nazis. The inside bottom of the band is marked with a small "Z" in a circle, a marking attributed to the goldsmith Professor Zeitner. While positive confirmation of a piece of Göring jewelry can be difficult, a number of pictures of Göring wearing a ring that could be this one survived the Nazi era, and many foreign diplomats who interacted with him felt the need to comment on the large red gemstone he was wearing on his finger, above and beyond all the other decorations he would bear into a high profile meeting.

In my opinion, without any provenance for authentication this is just another ring. But I must say the quality appears to be better that the many of the obvious cheap reproductions that are on the market today. The ring appears to be cast from a mold (certainly not Göring's style) and the Ruby DOES NOT appear to be of a high quality—definitely not Göring's style.
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Post by Johnnyrocket » 22 Aug 2013, 22:26

Here is an interesting ring that belonged to Adolf Hitler. Even though it's not a "Göring ring"—it's still an interesting read on the subject.

This article was from an upcoming sale from Alexander Historical Auctions. (Sept. 2013)
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Hitler's Gold Swastika Ring The most stunning, impressive and desirable of Adolf Hitler’s close personal possessions, the famous, long-lost custom-made swastika ring owned by Adolf Hitler. This massive ring, carefully constructed of multiple parts, displays a 16mm. wide mo- bile swastika built-up on four different levels. Its arms are comprised of 15 multi- faceted rubies which rise from the face of the ring to meet a larger, square five-facet ruby at the pinnacle. One tiny ruby in one of the arms is missing and could easily be replaced. When viewed from the sides, the swastika rises up much like a city’s walls, with tiny upright swords carefully brazed thereto - only careful examination shows one is missing. The sides of the ring bear two longer swords which are flanked by wreaths of lightly-veined oak leaves, with blank areas bear- ing small “berries”, all on a lightly stippled background. In viewing the interior, there is a large mobile swastika “cut-out” which directly conforms with the swastika above. When held to the light, all of the rubies on the top of the ring are viewable. The work appears to have been done on a sheet of silver which was then secured to the body of the ring, having been rolled over in bands. A raised stylized “KB” hallmark is evident on the inside of the band. The ring once had a powder coating of yellow gold, almost certainly 24 karat, but only a hint of that surface remains, with largely only the sterling silver base remaining visible. The ring is offered complete with the original presentation sterling silver hand-ham- mered globe and ebony wood pedestal. The globe, approx. 5 cm. wide, bears one central longitudinal and latitudinal line in relief, meeting at the front to form parts of the arms of a static swastika which appears in relief. The globe bears a fine, small closing catch at top which when opened allows the globe to fall open like a clam shell, revealing a small mobile swastika which supports a curved silver display hook, The ring rests upon this hook. The globe assembly in turn is at- tached to a three piece ebony wood pedestal with 16 small pieces of silver trim. The ring was made by one of the most prominent of German goldsmiths, KARL BERTHOLD (1889-1975). After an apprenticeship with an engraver in Dresden and education at the Drawing Academy in Hanau , he established his own workshop in Darmstadt in 1913. In the 1920s, he joined the NSDAP and the National Socialist Combat League for German Culture. He taught at the Academy Hanauer and later at the Stadel School in Frankfurt as acting director. On 15 April 1933 he dismissed “degenerate” professors Willi Baumeister, Max Beckmann, Richard Scheibe, Jacob Nussbaum, Josef Hartwig and other “cultural Bolshevik Jew servants” and turned the Cologne factory schools into a “master school of the Hanseatic city of Cologne”. This ring, like the Goring Reichsjagermeister pin elsewhere in this sale, is well known to advanced collectors. The ring first appeared in Berthold’s photographic catalog Goldschmiedearbeiten von Karl Borro- maus Berthold, 1937. The ring’s provenance is further described, and it is shown in photographs, in World War II German War Booty, Vol. II, by Thomas M. Johnson (Columbia, SC: Johnson Reference Books) 1984, pp. 11-12 and in a 2011 article by journalist Ron Laytner. Johnson cites articles published in the London “Telegraph Sunday” magazine of Apr. 4, 1982 and in Penthouse magazine. The articles described a “Sergeant Joseph” who at war’s end searched the Fuhrerbau in Munich for souvenirs. In the flooded basement of the building, he recovered this ring, as well as a gold-plated semi-automatic pistol presented to Hitler (which now resides at the museum at West Point), Hitler’s gold watch, a small painting of Hitler’s mother, silverware, and other relics. The sergeant kept the relics under cover for thirty years until he was tracked down by Nevada businessman Ray Bily. Bily purchased what Johnson describes as “The Treasure Trove of the Decade” and donated the gold pistol to West Point. Laytner’s article bears more detail, as he interviewed Bily directly and listened to a recording of the sergeant describing his discovery of the hoard of Hitler relics. The text of the Laytner story in itself is incredible. In a nutshell, Sgt. Joseph relates that he was a member of the 144th Division tasked with securing the artwork found in the basement of the Fuhrerbau. He discovered the relics, was forced to surrender one of two Hitler pistols he discovered to an officer, as well as a box full of diamonds, he discarded what may well have been Hitler’s diary, and his girlfriend wore this ring around her neck for years! In about 1981 the sergeant sold the remnants of his collection to Bily, and Bily died in 1994. The article states that the disposition of the balance of Bily’s collection was unknown. In fact, the ring ended up in the hands of devoted collector and dealer William Blynn, who died two years ago. It was offered for sale by Blynn who obtained a firm offer of nearly $400,000 but rejected it.
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Post by Kbraafladt » 19 Sep 2014, 22:33

I know I am coming into this discussion late but I came upon a ring that is identical to the Lattimer gold ring except for the placement of the three stamps and that it is additionally marked 925 for silver content. I have mixed feelings about these due to the nature of these sort of things and the fact that it was mentioned there were a lot of fakes out there. Can anyone here help me maybe pass an opinion on if these are original or not?
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Post by Kbraafladt » 19 Sep 2014, 22:38

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 20 Sep 2014, 01:29

This appears to be a reproduction of some kind (made of some type of silver). These types of rings are being sold at various gun and military shows across the county.

I have yet to see what I would consider the original Göring Seal of office ring that is said to have been made for Göring by the Master German Jeweler Herbert Zeitner.

None of the rings (Lattimer's included) I would now consider the original ring. If this ring ever existed, I would say it has forever been lost to history.

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 20 Sep 2014, 02:14

The quality and craftsmanship of a rings designed and produced by Herbert Zeitner were exquisite.

What I have seen over the years are what looks like molds and castings possibly form the original at one time.

Herbert Zeitner would have never produced and Hermann Göring would have never worn the quality of the rings I see today attributed to them.

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Post by Dwight Pruitt » 15 Mar 2015, 21:36

Um, has anyone taken the time to google Roger Steele? Interesting croo.. errr person.

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 15 Mar 2015, 22:47

The late Roger Steele was a legendary fake producer from the 60's a very interesting character to say the least.
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Post by Johnnyrocket » 05 Aug 2016, 21:09

FYI:
These Historical significant WWII items are on the auction block, at the Rock Island Auction Company. Auction will be in September of this year 2016.

Hermann Göring large gold rings that he is often seen wearing during party rallies and special presentations. The ring is huge, measuring 7/8th by 1 inch across the flat. It is also engraved with his Field Marschall seal and family crest in the middle. Inside the ring, it is engraved "Von Deinen/Alten Kameraden" 10.4.1935.H.R.", meaning "from your old friend". The ring is also hallmarked inside ".750" and is stamped with a maker's mark of "KB". This lot also includes a set of gold plated cuff-links that have the same Field Marschall seal and family crest on top, as well as the same hallmark and maker's mark on the back side. The ring and cufflinks are all stored in a small blue felt box that is marked inside the lid with "Wehrmüller/Jewelers".

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Post by bulldog431_99 » 20 Feb 2017, 16:36

I believe this might be a lost ring came out of a fire at Basil Harr`s from his collection over 45 years ago
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I believe this might be a lost ring came out of a fire at Basil Harr`s from his collection over 45 years ago
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Post by bulldog431_99 » 20 Feb 2017, 18:43

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Post by DennisW » 06 Mar 2017, 21:40

This is a detail from a photograph of a member of the 307th CIC Detachment, Seventh Army and I wonder if this might have come from Göring while held at Augsburg? Sorry for the quality but it's the best I have. Note the way the ring tapers forward and back, rather side-to-side.
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