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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby John G. on 25 May 2012 01:31

Omnivorious,
You have the right to believe whatever you wish.....but I don't believe a word of it.....just another effort to turn some worthless vintage coins into rare "German Occupation Coinage".....or whatever....

Alot of wasted effort on your part....you might convince yourself but you won't change anyone else's mind .....sorry, but this is MUCH TO DO WITH NOTHING!
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 31 May 2012 23:37

In the story, there is a coin with nadchekanami, in the occupied territories ... AK Markov refers to the time they Countermark Persian campaign of Peter I, to the activities of Russian occupation authorities to regulate currency circulation in the occupied regions of Gilan and Mazendaran. Both monety1, which made Countermark, A. Markov, believed issued in Isfahan, one in the 1131's. (1718-1719 gg.), Another in the 1138's. (1725 - 1726 gg.) (Table I, 7, 10). Later in the Hermitage received the third copy Counterstamped coins (Table I, 8), which, according to AK Markova, released in Gandzhe2. http://vsemonetki.ru/books/item/f00/s00 ... t014.shtml

In order to find out who did it ... looking at these nadchekany, you will never forget about who were the people who made nadchekan, they were not numismatists, and religious people who believed in what they do, and that God helps them in these matters ...

Since this version has not heard, I will express it ...
The knowledge gained about the coins, the use of coins in ancient Rome, in order to spy on the occupied territories, Peter I have been put into practice ...
In the case of complete replacement of the coins in the occupied territories to coin nadchekanami, this area was automatically, under full control of security forces.
Spy, it was enough to provide the necessary knowledge to use with a coin.
The official explanation for the public, government action in their interests to be declared, but the essence was different ...
My opinion is that in many ways, for security in the occupied territory, it was this nadchekan.
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 01 Jun 2012 00:11

The very essence of nadchekana was a mystery to people in the occupied territories of ancient Rome ...
For the current version of the nadchekanah, on coins, I want to make a significant addition ...
The Romans were among the first to use these coins for safety and use of coins, ruled the occupied territories.
Using ancient and secret knowledge of Roman priests of Rome ... spies were everywhere ...

The ancient pagan rite, nadchekanom, destroyed images on coins.
The Romans and the Orthodox, differently interpreted his nadchekany, because they are different religions, and, accordingly, different images on the coins and nadchekanah ...
But the very essence of nadchekana, the use of secret knowledge with the coin in the occupied territories remained unchanged ...

Nadchekany Roman legions


Nadchekan Tenth Legion "Fretenzis"
Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis
802 10th legion v1


Nadchekan Tenth Legion "Fretenzis"
Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis
806 10th legion v1

http://www.judaea.ru/catalog/nadchekany ... _legionov /
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby John G. on 01 Jun 2012 13:12

Great research and fascinating Roman Coinage.....unfortunately it PROVES NOTHING as far as these "German Stamped Occupation Coins" are concerned.....much effort for nothing.....even giving the "Occupation Coinage" the benefit of the doubt...that it is real, period coinage (which I DO NOT BELIEVE for ONE MINUTE!)....they would only be worth "a buck or two"....($1.00/$2.00 US) at the MOST, even if they were real! (IMO)...

These "German stamped Coins" are "Sucker Bait" IMO, you can believe what you choose....of course, many things were "recycled".....but the quality, style, and provenance of these are totally untypical, "unGerman"....., and unbelievable to me!

Could they be locally produced "Ersatz" coinage for locals, POWs, Getto/Labor Camp/Collective Farms, or as German Canteen Money, as you "suggest".....???? (I don't think so with those markings....but I'll concede a 2% chance!)

Nothing personal.....I've been collecting for over 50 years and have seen "lots of stuff"....certianly don't know everything and there's lots I have never seen or handled...I'm responding and giving my sincere opinion....but that should never be the final word! If you feel you're correct....stick to what you believe but try to keep an open mind. Best wishes....
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 10 Jun 2012 11:11

It is impossible to distinguish in this particular case.
Coin from religion.
Since you can say so, that on the coin, one religion destroys the other.

In order to understand who it is created, and what he believed enough to read 1-2 pages of books written by them ...
Secret knowledge of ancient Rome, they were on the 1st place.

documents.

There are many assumptions that the Nazis were engaged in magic, and studied the ancient European occult sciences.
At the present time found many documents confirming the fact that the basis of their personality cult were distorted pagan rituals and symbols that sometimes mystically influenced the outcome of the battle, it was the battle between the forces of good and evil in a mystical world where ghosts and crazy fanatic.

The Nazis interpreted the ancient myths and occult sciences. To prove their superiority, the Nazis were to examine all beliefs, myths and religion, and to take from each what is for his new cult of the Aryans, for that would in the future to subordinate all religions.
But Hitler wanted to destroy all other religions.
His inner circle, which is closely associated with the occult helped him achieve his goals.
The Bible is now forgotten.
Rosenberg wrote - today originated a new religion, the religion of pure blood, the belief that the election is transmitted by blood.
Later, Hitler developed his idea - to return to the ancient knowledge, and will gain strength, all the secret knowledge (knowledge of Roman coins nadchekanah in the occupied territories), light and dark, we get rid of Christianity, and establish a new religion, worthy of our race.

The symbol of the swastika has become a new religion.

It occurs in many cultures throughout history.
For Hitler, the swastika had a different meaning, he wrote to the swastika, the symbol of a noble mission, fighting for the victory of the Aryan Nation.

Each religion has its own rituals, so the Nazis had their own rituals. Mass rituals.

At the beginning of the war in 1939, the Nazis conquered country after country, but in the 42m, they switched from attack to defense, but were confident that they will not have to defend themselves - ever.
The more hopeless the situation was becoming Nazis more often they resorted to the occult sciences, they began to use them in everything from research to strategic planning.
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 16 Oct 2012 21:44

Continue ...

It is well known that the archaeological excavations carried out in all the occupied countries, and around the world in search of artifacts.

Conducting virtual excavation, we can see what the coins were the subject of their investigation.
In occupied Poland and Ukraine, could be investigated these coins ...
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 16 Oct 2012 21:46

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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 16 Oct 2012 22:17

S.C. The sign on the coin «Senatus Consultus» («By order of the Senate")

I want to draw attention to the fact that the manufacture of such coins in different countries, has always been a special decree of the Senate.
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 16 Oct 2012 22:54

Due to the fact that in today's Russia, can not find the answer to questions about the subject.
I declare the reward to anyone who helps uncover the truth.
This may be a few people.
Remuneration will, who will find a person who can tell the truth.
It may be, German veteran, or our former compatriots, who have fought against communism on the German side.
Or perhaps their descendants ... who can shed some light on this ...
The reward will be paid to them.

This will depend, at what price, selling coins at auction.

In the near future, 1 coin will be sold at auction in Russia.

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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby John G. on 17 Oct 2012 16:58

All this irrevalant information about over-stamped coinage from history HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE COINS...we all know it happened in the past...but we're talking about these particular coins ONLY!

You're wasting your time and efforts......no one would give more than a "token" amount for these, so called "Occupation coins"....even if they were 100% original.....which I still doubt very much. Offering "someone" a "REWARD" would prove nothing....except a "fool and his money as soon parted".....

Whether you've been "duped", or are trying to make a big profit off these I don't know....but I wouldn't give you a dollar for one! Not if you had a "Certificate of Authenticity" sighed by "Stalin" hiumself....(or whoever!)

To anyone considering these....Please re-read my earlier posts...and "good luck" if you're still interested. These coins are next to worthless IMO...but some people are willing to believe almost anything....especially when there's financial gain involved, apparently.

Again, not personal....but if you're planning to retire on what you "make" from these, you're in for a big disappointment!
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 17 Oct 2012 21:09

John G.
The instruments of these coins are here in the Special Archive of the USSR, the documents are classified. http://prioratos.blogspot.com/2010/09/b ... _3137.html
There's also a top-secret archives in the United States, therefore, can not be documented to prove their origin.
I'm looking for people who can help solve the mystery.
Coin at the auction bid is $ 50.
For you, it is futile, therefore, should not be too much to say to you about it.

One of the coins offered for sale.
Invite all interested people to participate in the auction - http://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/forum67/topic33681/

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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 26 Oct 2012 18:38

A coin from the first post in this thread, for further research, transferred to the State Historical Museum ...
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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby John G. on 26 Oct 2012 20:57

Omnivorous wrote: by Omnivorous » 26 Oct 2012 18:38
A coin from the first post in this thread, for further research, transferred to the State Historical Museum ...


I'm sure you'll incorperate this news in your "auction" listing....(which means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!)....hopefully it will help "jack the price up" on these "rare" coins.....I hope the die holds up so "who ever" can strike more worthless CCCP coins with the nazi eagle & markings....the world is full of fools and suckers just waiting for one of thier own!

Sorry....but these are nothing more than "SUCKER BAIT".....only a fool would waste his money on these!

Nothing you can say or post will make any differance.....these are JUNK!
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Posting these on a "coin site" is worthless....coin collectors know NOTHING about German memoribilia or how they marked things....they'd accept them at "face value".....No militaria collector with any knowledge would fall for them!

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Re: Coin for the occupied territories?

Postby Omnivorous on 26 Oct 2012 22:18

Ignorance has always more confident than knowledge, and only the ignorant can say with confidence that science will never be able to solve a problem..

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