XIX Century German Kepi (or other) Help please.

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diazcalvi
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XIX Century German Kepi (or other) Help please.

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Post by diazcalvi » 27 Oct 2014, 19:20

Hi again.
Also I've got this very nice looking red forage kepi. It's coming from Germany (on it's way...)
Not sure if it's from an unit, year, or maybe civil organization ... or military student.
Any help will be much appreciated. it has two letters on the top HB... or HT.. embroidered in gold...

German? American maybe?... doing the round trip back to the states?

Thanks in advance gents.
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Mark in Cleveland, Tn.
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Re: XIX Century German Kepi (or other) Help please.

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 28 Oct 2014, 19:32

Interesting, but whoever put all that tape on the headband to keep the leather(seems like faux)ointactshould be shot out of hand.


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Post by diazcalvi » 28 Oct 2014, 20:38

Yes. Yes. Seller said that someone was trying to restore the liner... very bad job.
For me it's a beautiful item, aesthetically. Problem is I cannot point what civic (80% sure) or military service this applies to.
And more interestingly, is coming from Germany. But I'm pretty sure the germans didnt have this kind of forage caps... but I could easily be wrong.

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 29 Oct 2014, 00:50

Could be some type of Zouval(not sure of spelling) US Civil War era unit.You guys know what I am talking about

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Post by Helmut0815 » 31 Oct 2014, 00:21

This specific form of headgear is called "Stürmer" (English hotspur) and was worn by high-school graduates, especially in East-Prussia and still is worn by some student fraternities in Germany.

Example of a high-school graduate from Königsberg wearing a Stürmer
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Source: http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dewiki/47264

Example of a studentic Stürmer, here Kaiser Bill depicted as an alumni of Corps Borussia Bonn
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Source: http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dewiki/282853

The student Stürmer is kept simpler with less stitchery and has a so called "Zirkel" on its front so I would say your Kepi is from a high-school graduate, not from a student fraternity brother.

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Post by diazcalvi » 31 Oct 2014, 00:28

Helmut. Thanks very much. Then it's German!!!
Too bad is not military related as that is what I collect. Still I might keep it as its beautiful

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