Mongolia - National China conflict 1942-1944?

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Any knows about fights between the Mongolian PR Army and Homindan Army (China) in 1942-1944?

Regards.

Alex.

[asiaticus]

Homindan Army? what is that?

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Homindan Army? what is that?

Gomindan/Nationalist Army

[asiaticus]

Oh, the KMT Army. I havent heard of any.

I was under the impression Stalin was a freindly neutral visa vis the Chinese Nationalists. He was at least interested in seeing them continuing to keep the Japanese army tied down until the Germans were delt with. I dont think Stalin was very happy with Mao either. Mao was not his favorite for running the Chinese Communist movement. My understanding is that by this time Mao had purged or converted to his side the pro Russian Chinese communists that had been organized and operating in North China prior to his arrival from the south in 1935.

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Oh, the KMT Army. I havent heard of any.

I was under the impression Stalin was a freindly neutral visa vis the Chinese Nationalists. He was at least interested in seeing them continuing to keep the Japanese army tied down until the Germans were delt with. I dont think Stalin was very happy with Mao either. Mao was not his favorite for running the Chinese Communist movement. My understanding is that by this time Mao had purged or converted to his side the pro Russian Chinese communists that had been organized and operating in North China prior to his arrival from the south in 1935.

These events concern to 1942-1944. Between the Mongolian and Chinese army there were fights. Probably with hundreds wounded men and killed. Mongols applied aircraft against the Chinese armies.

Regards.

Alex.

[sjchan]

Are you refering to the rebellion against the KMT forces by the Mongolian people in Feb 1943 and settled in 1944?

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Are you refering to the rebellion against the KMT forces by the Mongolian people in Feb 1943 and settled in 1944?

No. I speak about fighting Chinese unit vs. unit armies of External Mongolia (Mongolian P.R.)

[wesker101]

it seems to me, that no conflicts between KMT gov forces and Mongolian people's army (the formal name of Mongolian puppet forces set up by Soviet Union) occurred during 1942-1944, but in 1947 there was indeed a border war.

in June 6th, 1947, an infantry battalion and a light battery of Mongolian puppet army attacked Chinese-held Beita Mountain. there were also reports that aircrafts with red star symbol bombed Chinese positions ( there were arguments if these were Mongolian or Soviet aircrafts). the Chinese defense line was held by a Chinese infantry company. even though they were outnumbered greatly they kept the line at a cost of some a dozen KIA or WIA and several horses killed by the bombing, Mongolian puppet forces suffered a higher loss according to the then-Chinese gov.

the 2nd day Mongolian recon planes bombed Chinese positions, followed by joint attacks by infantry and cavalry units. a Chinese cavalry company came to the aid of original garrison and fought bravely with Mongolian cavalries. the captain of that company secretly filtered into a Mongolian MG position, killed 2 gunners and returned safely with the captured MG.

the 3rd day 2 Chinese regiments arrived and held back another Mongolian attempt to capture the line.

during the 3-day conflict, Chinese lost some 20 men( KIA and WIA), a dozen or so horses killed.

Mongolians left some 30 dead bodies in front of the Chinese defense line, including a captain. how many of them were injured was unknown to Chinese side cuz they were evacuated by their own forces. Chinese army also captured a light gun( perhaps a 20mm flak), 3 light MGs, some 20 rifles, 2 pistols, 1 radio set, several flags, and various documents and maps.

after that some minor conflicts continued and over 20 conflicts were reported until sep. 1948. anyway Mongolian forces failed their Soviet teachers and did a poor job.

[Stephen_Rynerson]

Does anyone happen to have information as to the identities of the Chinese and Mongolian units involved in the 1947 clash that Wesker recounted? The battle is not mentioned in any of the resources I have and on-line searches return little other than this thread.

[YC Chen]

I remember some information on this conflict(similar info as posted by wesker101) is provided in the memoir of General Song Xilian(宋希濂). Perhaps the order of battle of Chinese army can be found there, unfortunately I can't find my copy of that book now.

[Grandstudent]

Hey guys,
I hate to revive an old post but there is some information on wiki. Wiki the "pei-ta-shan incident"

[Stephen_Rynerson]

Thanks, it looks like the Pei-ta-shan (Baitag Bogd) wiki page was revised a fair bit in the later part of last year. Still doesn't have the Mongolian unit identities, unfortunately.