Question on the Chinese artillery 1937-1945

[CyirlSh]

Whether can somebody list foreign guns which were used by the Chinese army in 1937-1945.
I managed to make here such list - I do not know how much it full and correct

Austria 4.7 cm IG 35/36
USSR 45mm ATG M1932
Czechoslovakia 37mm infantry gun Skoda
Germany 8cm GrWr 34
USSR 82mm Mortar M1937
60mm mortar Stocks-Brand
81mm mortar Stocks-Brand
Netherlands 65 mm Infantry Gun L/12 Siderius
Netherlands 75 mm Infantry Gun L/13 Siderius
USSR 76mm Regiment Gun M1927
Czechoslovakia 70 mm Infantry Gun M.1930 Skoda
Austria-Hungary 7cm GebK 10
Austria-Hungary 104mm howitzer M.1914 Skoda
Great Britain QF 15 pdr Mk. I
Great Britain QF 18 pdr Mk. IV
Germany 10.5cm leFH 18
Germany 10.5cm leFH 16
Germany 7.5cm GebK 04
Germany 7 cm Geb K L/14 M 98
Germany 7.7cm FK 96nA
Germany 75mm gun M.1903-06 Krupp
Germany 120mm howitzer M.1903-10 Krupp
Italy Cannone da 75/27 mod. 06
USSR 76mm Mountain Cannon M1909
USSR 76mm Cannon M1902
USSR 122mm Howitzer M1910
France Canon de 75 M mle 1919
France Canon Court de 105 M mle 1919
Franceпорт 75mm mountain gun M.1907 Schneider-Canet
Franceпорт 75mm gun M.1912 Schneider
Czechoslovakia 7.5 cm horský kanon vz. 15
Czechoslovakia 75mm gun M.1912 Skoda
Sweden 7,5 cm bergkanon m/30
Sweden 7,5 cm kanon m/40
Germany 15cm sFH 18
Germany 150mm gun 1895 Krupp
Germany 120mm gun 1895 Krupp
Germany 150mm howitzer M.1902 Krupp
Great Britain 2 pdr Pom-Pom
Germany 3.7cm Flak 18
Italy Cannone-Mitragl antiaer da 20/65 mod. 35
Switzerlandпорт 20mm AA M.1928 Oerlikon
Swedenпорт 40mm AA M.1936 Bofors
Great Britainп 75 mm AA Vickers-Armstrong
Germany 8.8cm Flak 36
Italy Canone antiaereo da 75/46 modello 34
USSR 76mm AA Cannon M1931
Sweden 7,5 cm Luftvärnskanon m/30-37

In the list the Japanese trophy guns and American are not considered.

Best regards
Cyril

[Pavel Novak]

Hallo
I can not help you with chinese artillery but I can write there some corrections for Skoda weapons.

Czechoslovakia 37mm infantry gun Skoda - 3.7cm infantry gun vzor 15 (note: A-H designation is "M. 15" instead of "vzor 15")
Czechoslovakia 70 mm Infantry Gun M.1930 Skoda - this is probably 8cm (76.5mm) cannon vzor 30
Austria-Hungary 104mm howitzer M.1914 Skoda - 10.4cm howitzer vzor 14 CH (M. 14 CH - at least part of shipment was confiscated by A-H)
Czechoslovakia 7.5 cm horský kanon vz. 15 - 7.5cm mountain cannon vzor 15 (M. 15 - note: export possible only after war)

Czechoslovakia 75mm gun M.1912 Skoda - 7.5cm mountain cannon M. 12 was not produced (only prototypes)
- before ww1 there were 2 types of guns ordered by China:
7.5cm field cannon M. 11 (or M. 14 in second batch ???) - the first batch sent to China in 1912, the most of the second batch was confiscated by A-H in 1914
7.5cm mountain cannon M. 13 (or M. 14 ???) - it is said that none of them reached China

[CyirlSh]

Czechoslovakia 37mm infantry gun Skoda - 3.7cm infantry gun vzor 15 (note: A-H designation is "M. 15" instead of "vzor 15")

No. Is available in view of an infantry gun of firm Skoda with change of tube 70 and 37 mm. Such guns were available on arms of Bulgaria (37 mm) and Latvia (70 mm)

Czechoslovakia 70 mm Infantry Gun M.1930 Skoda - this is probably 8cm (76.5mm) cannon vzor 30

No. It is the same gun about which it is written above.

Austria-Hungary 104mm howitzer M.1914 Skoda - 10.4cm howitzer vzor 14 CH (M. 14 CH - at least part of shipment was confiscated by A-H)

It is an export variant of the Austrian howitzer 10 cm FH14. The Czech name 10 cm lehká houfnice vz. 14

Czechoslovakia 7.5 cm horský kanon vz. 15 - 7.5cm mountain cannon vzor 15 (M. 15 - note: export possible only after war)

It is an export variant of the Austrian mountain gun 7.5cm GebK15. The Czech name 7.5 cm horský kanon vz. 15. These guns were delivered to China after WW1

Czechoslovakia 75mm gun M.1912 Skoda - 7.5cm mountain cannon M. 12 was not produced (only prototypes)
- before ww1 there were 2 types of guns ordered by China:

It not a mountain gun, and field. There were some types export 75mm guns of firm Skoda on sale in the different countries. For example such guns were on sale to Serbia


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[zhenyuan]

Austria 4.7 cm IG 35/36
USSR 45mm ATG M1932
USSR 76.2mm Gun M1902
Germany 10.5cm leFH 18
Germany 15cm sFH 18
75mm le.IG18
PAK35/36 37
Germany 75mm gun M.1903-06 Krupp
Bofos 75mm L20 M1934
20mm（Breda）M1935 L65
Germany 37mm Flak18
Bofos 40mm
Madsen 20mm
Solothurn 20mm S5-106
Oerlikon 20mm
USSR 76mm AA Cannon M1931
frence schneider 105mm
Sweden 7,5 cm Luftvärnskanon m/30-37
us M3A1 37MM AT
US M1A1 75MM
US M2A1 105MM
French 50mm Mortar
French 30mm Mortar
Canadian 80mm MK1A2 80nn mortar
US M1 81mm Mortar
FRENCH schneider 75mm m23
us M1A2 75mm howitzer
british 115mm howitzer
french schneider 155mm howitzer
Germany FLAK30 20MM AA
british 20MM AA
Germany 75mm gun M.1903 L29 Krupp
USSR 76mm AA Cannon M1931
Germany 150mm L32 (we don`t konw zhe type and no photo maybe K18)
13.2mm Hotchkiss antiaircraft machine-gun model 1931
USSR M1909 76.2MM
8.8cm/45 SK C/30

[zhenyuan]

USSR M1930 37MM AT
75 mm Infantry Gun L/13
bofos 75mm m1929 aa
french 75mm mle 1897
us m1918 155mm
germany 150mm L32

[CyirlSh]

I met still here such names of guns and mortars of the Chinese manufacture.

75mm Mountain Gun Type 44
77mm Field Gun Type 41
10cm Howitzer Type 14
12cm Howitzer Type 14
10cm Cannon Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 19
41mm (or 45mm) Infantry Mortar
70mm Infantry Mortar
75mm Infantry Mortar
83mm Infantry Mortar
150mm Infantry Mortar
240mm Infantry Mortar

Whether there is no at you an information оп to these guns. It is interesting to me to know when they were made and in what number. Whether they have been developed in China or these are license guns. And on mortars it would be interesting to know their correct names. Probably this list not full?

[Pavel Novak]

Czechoslovakia 37mm infantry gun Skoda
No. Is available in view of an infantry gun of firm Skoda with change of tube 70 and 37 mm. Such guns were available on arms of Bulgaria (37 mm) and Latvia (70 mm)
Czechoslovakia 70 mm Infantry Gun M.1930 Skoda

Than it is infantry gun AB1 / BA1 (37/70mm) - It is my mistake I thought that this gun was not produced because czechoslovak army refused it.
I have good info about weapons in czechoslovak service but production for export is still mystery for me.
So this is also helpful to me.
Just one question to this: Are you sure that designation is M.30? Because czechoslovak army assigned "vzor 30" to 8cm and 10cm but I think that AB1 / BA1 (37/70mm) is without designation "vzor" as it was not accepted to service.

Austria-Hungary 104mm howitzer M.1914 Skoda - 10.4cm howitzer vzor 14 CH (M. 14 CH - at least part of shipment was confiscated by A-H)
It is an export variant of the Austrian howitzer 10 cm FH14. The Czech name 10 cm lehká houfnice vz. 14

Just detail - M. 14CH is not export version of A-H howitzer because in fact A-H M. 14 is based on it - A-H did not adopt any Skoda field and mountain cannon/howitzer before ww1 - only naval guns were produced for A-H before ww1.

For example such guns were on sale to Serbia

Weapons for Serbia (7.5cm cannon M. 1903) was not produced because of assasination of Serbian king and change of serbian policy.

[CyirlSh]

The Czechoslovak army has refused these guns (37/70mm) but as it often happened, there were buyers in other countries. So in Bulgaria used this gun with 37mm, in Latvia and China with 70mm. Probably and in other countries too, but I do not know about it.
I have designated this gun Mod.30 because so it designated in Latvia (I do not know its other names). If it would be accepted on arms in Czechoslovakia I has written " 7cm kanon vz.30 ". If you have noticed I all instruments named as them named in those countries where they have been accepted on arms.


You are absolutely right 10cmFH14 not export version. I have incorrectly written. But these howitzers were on sale in the different countries, including to China. And as I knew special updating of this howitzer for China.

Probably I am mistaken in the name (sources in which I more precisely are mistaken has read through the information) but 75mm guns of firm Skoda consisted on arms of the Yugoslavian army and have been grasped by Germans in 1941 as trophies. There they referred to as 75mm canon mod.1912 (the name is specified 4 the Yugoslavian army), a German designation - 7.5 cm FK 249 (j)

[zhenyuan]

I must Look into the data,but I am sure some of zhe gun didn`t used in china

For example
zhe Germany 8.8cm Flak 36,we didn`t used,zhe chinese was buy zhe navy 88mm gun

[CyirlSh]

Me the information on the Chinese guns and mortars most of all interests:
75mm Mountain Gun Type 44
77mm Field Gun Type 41
10cm Howitzer Type 14
12cm Howitzer Type 14
10cm Cannon Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 19
41mm (or 45mm) Infantry Mortar
70mm Infantry Mortar
75mm Infantry Mortar
83mm Infantry Mortar
150mm Infantry Mortar
240mm Infantry Mortar
They are listed in the list of the Japanese trophies, but no other information on these guns and mortars at me is present. I at all do not know their correct names

[SASH155]

Does anyone in this discussion have photos of any of these above listed weapons in Chinese service? For example I had never heard that the Chinese had any Italian Ansaldo 75mm Cannone da 75/46 Modello 1934 AA guns; allegedly Yugoslavia talked to the Italians about purchasing some in 1939, but the Italians never had enough for their own use, never mind for export. What are the sources for these citations and could they be reproduced verbatim on this forum (ie. the IJA captured materiel reports)? Also, did China take delivery of the Schneider 155mm C17S field howitzer from Schneider in France, or are the cited guns the M-1917 and M-1918s provided by the U.S.? I am trying to put together a detailed study of Chinese weapons purchases from ca. 1870 to 1949, so I need clear descriptions of the weapons with the proper commonly known designations, their quantity, and dates of sale and delivery. Once I have completed it I will post it online for everyone to see.

[SASH155]

Can anyone answer the questions asked in previous entry (ie. confirmed Chinese use of Cannone da 75/46 CA? Origin of China's inventory of 155mm C17S field howitzers? etc, etc...). Thank you all in advance for any help on these matters.

[Bob_Mackenzie]

Me the information on the Chinese guns and mortars most of all interests:
75mm Mountain Gun Type 44
77mm Field Gun Type 41
10cm Howitzer Type 14
12cm Howitzer Type 14
10cm Cannon Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 19
41mm (or 45mm) Infantry Mortar
70mm Infantry Mortar
75mm Infantry Mortar
83mm Infantry Mortar
150mm Infantry Mortar
240mm Infantry Mortar
They are listed in the list of the Japanese trophies, but no other information on these guns and mortars at me is present. I at all do not know their correct names

I got this of another (sadly forgotten) forum

I write down the muzzle velocity(m/s) and the max range(m).


Type 14 37mm Infantry Gun 450m/s
41mm Infantry Mortar 1,600m
75mm Infantry Mortar 2,100m
83mm Infantry Mortar 213m/s, 3,000m
150mm Infantry Mortar 3,000m
240mm Infantry Mortar 3,000m
Type 14 77.7mm Field Gun 510m/s, 9,200m
Type 14 10cm Howitzer 360m/s, 7,700m
Type 14 12cm Howitzer 276m/s
Type 14 15cm Howitzer 275m/s
Type 14 10cm Cannon 540m/s, 11,000m

[Type 98]

OK. Here is a list of uknown artillery produced by Taiyuan Arsenal. The question is: ARE THESE GUNS DEVELOPED IN CHINA OR ARE THEY SIMPLY LICENSE-PRODUCED GUNS?

75mm Mountain Gun Type 44
Infantry gun Type 12
77mm Field Gun Type 41
10cm Howitzer Type 14
12cm Howitzer Type 14
10cm Cannon Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 14
15cm Howitzer Type 19
41mm (or 45mm) Infantry Mortar
70mm Infantry Mortar
75mm Infantry Mortar
83mm Infantry Mortar
150mm Infantry Mortar
240mm Infantry Mortar

[asiaticus]

The Type 12, 14 and 19 were made prior to the Sino Japanese war by the Taiyuan Arsenal with the help of German engineers imported for the task by Yan Xishan. Type number refer to years after the foundiation of the Republic. Type 12 = 1923, 14= 1925, Type 19 = 1930. These were native productions and the defeat of Yan Xishan in the 1930 Central Plains War probably was the reason more and better artillery were not developed.

Apparently they also made 24 each of copies of a German 105mm heavy mountain gun and an 88mm feild artillery gun.

see
http://www.haiguinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 0388e37429

Mortars were made many places in China over the years and were copies of various foreign mortar types. Stokes, Brant, etc.

After the capture of the Taiyuan Arsenal by the Japanese there was no place that could make modern artillery in China.