Ante Pavelic Escape

[K.Kocjancic]

GLADIVM, do you have any other questions on Poglavnik?

[Marcus Wendel]

The posts dealing with the leaders of Bulgaria, Slovenia, and Slovakia were moved to a new thread.

/Marcus

[Ostuf Charlemagne]

Of course i was the one who started it ,my dear Thompson (you are not sorprised,aren't you ?)

A small explanation : Za dom spremni means '' For Fatherland ,We Are Ready !'' it was used not only by ustachis in 1941,but by by HOS in 1991.
And Adolf died in 1945,my dear Belgradian Major ...

At that time (the 90's ,not the 40's !) i had just fought a war against communism in Central America .Some of my french friends of our old military time volunteered within HOS....
I scann here a pic of my good friend J...,from my parachute rgt, (we exchanged recently some war pictures of our owns) as a ''narodnik'' within HOS militia ,capturing a tchetnik during operation ''Miljevci Platov'' in June 1992,where they kicked some serbian asses -incluiding 5 tanks -....(maybe you know him,Cybercat ?)
I tried to make it to Croatia,when i learned that more than 20 good friends of mine were there .... but i had married,had childs,my wife cried... i guess i would have to wait for the next war here !
No personal offense,Major,but as you will ounderstand,i have no sympathies for tchetniks and titists... (even if i disagree with the NATO bombings of your civilians,a war crime !).. so,i wasn't saluting you,it was intented as a for any vet from Croatia,if it was one.

By the way,Kocjo : those friends sent me some cassettes of croatian marching songs.
Please,what means '' Ustase jure i boban'', ''HOS-a stroj'',
''Dalmacija zastavu razvila '' and ''Stazama Garde '' ?????? Thanks.

Thompson : Of course you are right ! (Szalasy )
So i guess i was mistaken with another Arrow Cross commander who died in Spain in 1973. ( Ooops ! I'm becoming old ! )

[cybercat]

Your friend is displaying a HV (Hrvatska Vojska - Croatian Army) emblem - not HOS. I can't make out which brigade he belongs to from the picture.

Ustase Jure i Boban - Jure Francetic and Rafael Boban were two notorious Ustasa commanders during WWII:

"Evo zore, evo dana,
Evo Jure i Bobana."

(Here comes the dawn, here comes the day, Here comes Jure and Boban)

Francetic commanded the 1st Ustasa Regiment later to be dubbed "Crna Legija" and Boban commanded one of his bojnas (battalions).

The regiment was raised in Sarajevo and had a large number of Bosnian Muslims in the ranks. The Germans called on Pavelic to disband this regiment as it had committed attrocities that even turned their stomachs and many of it's members then went on to serve in 13th SS Handzar.

I'll post again regarding the other HOS/Ustasa songs that I know....

[cybercat]

A picture of Jure Francetic (left) and Rafael Boban:

[Major]

@ Charlemagne & cybercat

I dont want to upset the moderators and go of topic so I invite you to the lounge section of the forum and discuss our oppinion & attitudes about the war(s) you fought in. Im eager to hear your story and dont consider me diehard nationalist or god forbid communst. Just start the thread there, name it lets say "My combat experience"

[cybercat]

Vazi.

[Allen Milcic]

Cybercat:

Note that Boban took over command of the "Black Legion" upon Francetic's death. Boban ended up as a General of the NDH armed forces and a Colonel of the Ustase by wars end, commanding an army corps (the IVth, consisting of 3 divisions + support units). He avoided death at Bleiburg by refusing to surrender to the British and taking off into the mountains with a small group of hard-core followers. His ultimate fate is uncertain, though rumours have him dying in the late 40's in Herzegovina as an anti-Communist "Crusader" (Krizar) guerilla, or being killed in Korea in the 50's as a member of the US Army.

Kind regards.

[Allen Milcic]

By the way, for Mr. Major, "kraljeznica" is a spine, not a pelvis (relating to Pavelic's injuries).

I also have, somewhere in my files, the name of the Croat (an UDBA - Yugoslav secret police agent) that attempted the assasination on the former Poglavnik. I'll see if I can find it and post it in the next little while. Pavelic ended up dying as a result of the wounds sustained in this assasination attempt in Argentina some time later - in Spain.

[Major]

My translation resource for new croatian language were Serbian refugees from Croatia. Correction taken Mr. croat.

[Allen Milcic]

Further information on the topic of Pavelic's escape can be found here:

viewtopic.php?p=764867#764867

Allen/

[Bosanac]

There is a story about of exekutor of Pavelic:
http://www.pavelicpapers.com/features/tbfp.html
Please do not spoke serbo croat. That is two diferent language and serb spoken serbian and croat spoken croatian.
sorry for my poor english.

[axavier]

A good source of information on this subject can be found in http://web.archive.org/web/200512201927 ... index.html
Pavelic's attacker wrote his account of the episode under the title "Two bullets for Pavelic", posted in the first page.

[Larry D.]

Thank you, axavier!

That's a Serbo-revisionist web site you are linking us to, as you well know. Axis History Forum tries hard to exclude inflamatory comments and connections to revisionist web sites because it only leads to unsavory and unhelpful discourse. This is especially true when it comes to the Croatian > Serbian > Bosnian issue.

L.

[Sid Guttridge]

Pavelic was only the most prominent beneficiary of what seems to have been a campaign sponsored by the Vatican (possibly without the Pope's knowledge) and Peron's Argentina to smuggle prominent Roman Catholic Axis collaborators to South America.

The beneficiaries included Catholic Croats, Italians, Frenchmen, Belgians, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Ukrainians, etc., and others, including Serbs, who had been well disposed towards the Vatican. They included two heads of government, a foreign minister, senior Party officials, etc.