Croatian Armor (NDH)

[15.JG.52_Vukodlak]

ok so what I would like to see is what would be the paint scheme(s) and insignia on the tanks, tankettes and halftracks forces in the NDH. So far the only thing I got was a few really bad pictures (black and white) with not much detail visible...
I am trying to find info on that for a modelling project.

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Also what happened to the Yugoslav kingdom, French made R35's I found info that there were some 40-50 of them in the VKJ (Yugoslav Kingdom Army) did they go to the NDH or did the Italians nab them first.
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p.s. and heres the link to the other site with the photos of NDH armor (among other things)

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/

[Larry D.]

Been here yet?

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=6041

The Germans may have grabbed the R 35s and used them for Panzerkompanie z.b.V. 12. There is no evidence of them being handed over to the NDH. The R 35s that began appearing in NDH service in late 1942/early 1943 reportedly came directly from Beute in France.

--Larry

[15.JG.52_Vukodlak]

hey thanks for replaying and yeah I've seen that already it was very helpful...but I have second thoughts on how accurate it is...the link I gave has photos of PZ3, and PZ4 crewed by croat personell and the site here says no evidence for that whatsoever. By the unit name u gave me I now know they also had some R35's which is cool.

My problem now is that I am trying to figure out the paintscheme and markings on these veichles so I can make models representing them for some dioramas and/or a wargame.
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Does anyone have any inkling about the paintschemes and/or markings?

[Hrvat]

heres the paint scheme of a Ustasa CV 33 tankette (from ww2incolor.com) , on the front you will notice the Ustasa coat of arms , letter U with burning bomb and Croat checkerboard in the middle

[15.JG.52_Vukodlak]

Hey I didnt have a clue someone replied to this old post thanks for the pic...I have put on hold my plans of moddelling any croatian armor untill I get some more information on the actual cplor plates used however this is a much better pic than I had it shows the proportions of the U insignia and such

Thanks this will help me!

[Alex Yeliseenko]

[Victor]

Alex, please do not forget to mention the source for the photo. Thank you.

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Victor, I can't remember the source. It appeared to be in my collection

[15.JG.52_Vukodlak]

I found the same image alex posted at the forum on ww2incolor.com

[Alex Yeliseenko]

?. This image was at Russian forum. BTW, I do not know a source of its origin. If you know, where it is photographed, the answer will be estimated.

[Allen Milcic]

The book "The Eastern Front, Armour Camouflage & Markings" (S. Zaloga & J. Grandsen), published by Arms and Armour Press, 1983 (re-print 1995), ISBN: 1-85409-213-8, states the following regarding NDH armour (page 63):

After the fall of Yugoslavia in 1941, the Germans formed a Croatian puppet state under Ante Pavelic. The state had no formal armour units as far as it is known, but was supplied with a small number of Italian and ex-Hungarian CV-33 and CV-35 tankettes which were used for anti-partisan duty. Later, H-39 Hotchkiss light tanks about one company strong were supplied for the same role. The tankettes were marked with the state's crest, a red and white chequer-board shield, which was contained within a large white U, the U being a reference to the Ustashi Fascist movement. This insignia was carried on the glacis plate. The H-39's apparently were not marked, and at least one photograph indicates that they retained their originall German Balkan cross insignia.

There is a further reference to NDH armour on page 76, which is a colour plate showing an excellent illustration of an NDH CV-35, including camouflage scheme and enlarged insignia. The reference tab by the illustration states:

CV-35, Croatian Ustashi Militia, Yugoslavia, summer 1944. The Croatian fascist anti-partisan units mainly used ex-Italian and ex-Hungarian tankettes, to which was added the Ustashi emblem with Croatian crest,

I found the book available for sale here: http://www.amazon.com/Eastern-Front-Arm ... F8&s=books

Best regards,
Allen/

[Alex Yeliseenko]

Bog Allen!

Kako ste?

Hvala za informacija.

I do not think, that S.Zaloga can be a serious source of the information. But in its books there are good photos.

Sretno!

Regards.

Alex. Winter Bearland.

[Serbian boy]

Also what happened to the Yugoslav kingdom, French made R35's I found info that there were some 40-50 of them in the VKJ (Yugoslav Kingdom Army) did they go to the NDH or did the Italians nab them first.

The Serbian Volunteer Corps in january 1943 received few R35s.

[Allen Milcic]

Bog Allen!

Kako ste?

Hvala za informacija.

I do not think, that S.Zaloga can be a serious source of the information. But in its books there are good photos.

Sretno!

Regards.

Alex. Winter Bearland.

Hi Alex:

I am unfamiliar with the author other than this particular book; any reason why his information in general, and particularly this informationn on NDH armour, should be viewed with skepticism? Thanks in advance.

Allen/

[15.JG.52_Vukodlak]

The book "The Eastern Front, Armour Camouflage & Markings" (S. Zaloga & J. Grandsen), published by Arms and Armour Press, 1983 (re-print 1995), ISBN: 1-85409-213-8, states the following regarding NDH armour (page 63):

After the fall of Yugoslavia in 1941, the Germans formed a Croatian puppet state under Ante Pavelic. The state had no formal armour units as far as it is known, but was supplied with a small number of Italian and ex-Hungarian CV-33 and CV-35 tankettes which were used for anti-partisan duty. Later, H-39 Hotchkiss light tanks about one company strong were supplied for the same role. The tankettes were marked with the state's crest, a red and white chequer-board shield, which was contained within a large white U, the U being a reference to the Ustashi Fascist movement. This insignia was carried on the glacis plate. The H-39's apparently were not marked, and at least one photograph indicates that they retained their originall German Balkan cross insignia.

There is a further reference to NDH armour on page 76, which is a colour plate showing an excellent illustration of an NDH CV-35, including camouflage scheme and enlarged insignia. The reference tab by the illustration states:

CV-35, Croatian Ustashi Militia, Yugoslavia, summer 1944. The Croatian fascist anti-partisan units mainly used ex-Italian and ex-Hungarian tankettes, to which was added the Ustashi emblem with Croatian crest,

I found the book available for sale here: http://www.amazon.com/Eastern-Front-Arm ... F8&s=books

Best regards,
Allen/

seeing that 70+ dollars for a book is beyond my ability right now...might someone post the pic? ...or is that considered a breach in copyright laws.

Also thanks to everyone that took a moment and answered I really appreciate it.