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Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby Halibutt on 07 Mar 2010 22:33

I remember reading somewhere (ages ago) that WWII Slovakia, following the 1939 invasion of Poland, maintained some garrisons in Poland, effectively occupying parts of it (Tatra mountains, most likely). Does anyone have any info on that? What was the status of the forces in Poland, what was the political situation in those areas? Or was there no such thing?
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby KACKO on 15 Mar 2010 18:15

Halibutt wrote:I remember reading somewhere (ages ago) that WWII Slovakia, following the 1939 invasion of Poland, maintained some garrisons in Poland, effectively occupying parts of it (Tatra mountains, most likely). Does anyone have any info on that? What was the status of the forces in Poland, what was the political situation in those areas? Or was there no such thing?
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It depends on the side of the view. Fro, Slovak view, Slovakia liberated territories annexed by Poland in November 1938 (parts of regions Kysuce, Orava and Spis - Spis region around High Tatras) and also territories vhich were in 20-ties by Czechoslovak government ceded to Poland - they were Slovak villages or most of the populations were Slovaks.
Polish view on them they were mostly Slovakized Gorals.
For short time, shortly after September there was also some Slovak garrison in Zakopane - there is a picture of Slovak guar in front of Zakopane's railway station.
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby Halibutt on 15 Mar 2010 18:29

KACKO wrote:For short time, shortly after September there was also some Slovak garrison in Zakopane - there is a picture of Slovak guar in front of Zakopane's railway station.
Is this any help?
Yeah, that's precisely what I had in mind, so at least I got confirmation there were Slovak units there. Does anyone have any more details on Slovak soldiers in Poland after September of 1939?
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby KACKO on 16 Mar 2010 12:54

Halibutt wrote:
KACKO wrote:For short time, shortly after September there was also some Slovak garrison in Zakopane - there is a picture of Slovak guar in front of Zakopane's railway station.
Is this any help?
Yeah, that's precisely what I had in mind, so at least I got confirmation there were Slovak units there. Does anyone have any more details on Slovak soldiers in Poland after September of 1939?
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What exactly do you need to know?
Do you mean Slovaks on territories which were liberated (pre 1938 Czechoslovak lands) or lands which were parts of Poland before 1938 and were annexed by Slovakia? Or your question is about Slovak units on territories with Polish majority? As I know, to the end of October (I don't remember the date right now) all Slovak units pulled out from parts of Poland occupied by Germany now.
There were of course Slovaks in Czechoslovak legion in Poland. ;)

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby Halibutt on 16 Mar 2010 13:32

KACKO wrote:lands which were parts of Poland before 1938
Yup.

As I know, to the end of October (I don't remember the date right now) all Slovak units pulled out from parts of Poland occupied by Germany now.
That explains it. But what were the areas held by Slovak forces in the first place?
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby KACKO on 16 Mar 2010 17:08

I have short list of villages which were between 1921-1938 part of Poland after Czechoslovak-Polish agreement w national composition (at least for High Tatra region).
Polish name Slovak name Hungarian name Slovaks Total
Czarna Góra Čierna hora Feketebércz 678 695
Jurgów Jurgov Szepesgyörke 689 739
Rzepiska Repiská Répásfalu 524 525
Falsztyn (Falštín) Falstin
Frydman (Fridman) Frigyesvágása 1089 1219
Kacwin (Kacvín) Szentmindszent 696 754
Łapszanka (Lapšanka) Kislápos 319 321
Łapsze Niżne (Nižné Lapše) Alsólápos 567 617
Łapsze Wyżne (Vyšné Lapše) Felsőlápos 703 723
Niedzica (Nedeca) Nedecs 909 1019
Trybsz Tribš Újterebes 528 561
Dursztyn (Durštín) Dercsény 209 219
Krempachy Krempachy Bélakorompa 667 690
Nowa Biała Nová Belá Újbéla 641 665

Here is citation from Wiki:
Negotiations of the 1920s

A final line was set up at the Spa Conference in Belgium. On July 28, 1920, the western part of the disputed territory was given to Czechoslovakia while Poland received the eastern part, thus creating a Zaolzie with a substantial Polish minority.

Edvard Beneš also agreed to cede to Poland 13 villages (especially Nowa Biała]], Jurgów and Niedzica; 195 km²; pop. 8747) in northwestern Spiš and 12 villages in northeastern Orava (around Jabłonka; 389 km²; pop. 16133), in matter of fact the Czechoslovak authorities officially regarded their inhabitants as exclusively Slovak, while Poles pointed out that the dialect used there belonged to Polish language. The Polish government was not satisfied with this results.

The conflict was only resolved by the Council of the League of Nations (International Court of Justice) on 12 March 1924, which decided that Czechoslovakia should retain the territory of Javorina and Ždiar and which entailed (in the same year) an additional exchange of territories in Orava - the territory around Nižná Lipnica went to Poland, the territory around Suchá Hora and Hladovka went to Czechoslovakia. The new frontiers were confirmed by a Czechoslovak-Polish Treaty on 24 April 1925 and are identical with present-day borders.

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby Halibutt on 16 Mar 2010 17:51

KACKO wrote:I have short list of villages which were between 1921-1938 part of Poland after Czechoslovak-Polish agreement w national composition (at least for High Tatra region).
Were those villages garrisoned by Slovak troops after September of 1939? Thanks for the list but I can't see how it's relevant.

The wiki link also seems to be on pre-war matters and not WWII.
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby KACKO on 16 Mar 2010 18:18

Halibutt wrote:
KACKO wrote:I have short list of villages which were between 1921-1938 part of Poland after Czechoslovak-Polish agreement w national composition (at least for High Tatra region).
Were those villages garrisoned by Slovak troops after September of 1939? Thanks for the list but I can't see how it's relevant.

The wiki link also seems to be on pre-war matters and not WWII.
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Except territories annexed by Poland in 1938 ad in 1939 liberated, this territories were before 1938 part of Poland and because of Slovak majority there annexed by Slovakia.
What I know about garrisons, i think later on it was only regular police and border patrols as there were not much troubles with populations which was mostly more then happy to be annexed by Slovakia.
But I will look in my books if I will find something.

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby 1900 on 21 Mar 2010 17:58

1st division

According to an order from 4th september division have to reach line south of Timbark . Ochotnica - Zabrzez - Kamienica - Zalesie and build there defence positions.

3rd division
On 11th september Slovak units reached line Bukowsko-Kulaszne-Baligród-Jablonki-Cisna and started to clear minefields with help from from local Rusyns. Later, from 14th till 21st September Slovak units of 3rd divison secured area Duklas pass - Dukla - Krosno - Sanok - Lesko - Baligród - Jablonki - Liszna.

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby 1900 on 21 Mar 2010 18:11

Shortly after war, Hitler suggested to give slovak president Tiso some extra land in Poland. Hitler called it "rounding of Slovak border". Tiso declined.

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby 1900 on 21 Mar 2010 21:14

Halibutt wrote:Yeah, that's precisely what I had in mind, so at least I got confirmation there were Slovak units there. Does anyone have any more details on Slovak soldiers in Poland after September of 1939?
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Latest info about Slovak soldiers in Poland is dated september 28th It´s a day when searching party from 4th infantry regiment came back to baracks in Velky Slavkov - near city Poprad. They were looking for unknown armed persons who attacked german border guard. It seems, that they were already stationed in Slovakia and from this place they re-entered territory of Poland.

Maybe this will help:
Official slovak army´s field diary /HQ Bernolak/ of war against Poland ends on September 17th.
Demobilsation came on September 26th /last wave/ so only regular troops stayed.

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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby Halibutt on 21 Mar 2010 21:39

1900 wrote:Latest info about Slovak soldiers in Poland is dated september 28th It´s a day when searching party from 4th infantry regiment came back to baracks in Velky Slavkov - near city Poprad. They were looking for unknown armed persons who attacked german border guard. It seems, that they were already stationed in Slovakia and from this place they re-entered territory of Poland.

Maybe this will help:
Official slovak army´s field diary /HQ Bernolak/ of war against Poland ends on September 17th.
Demobilsation came on September 26th /last wave/ so only regular troops stayed.
Thanks mate, you helped me a lot.
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Re: Slovakian occupation of Poland

Postby KACKO on 22 Mar 2010 14:57

Nice job Nuklik.
Sorry Halibutt, I didn't had a time to look into it. Went skiing. ;) Probably last time this season. :(

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