No Himmler

[BDV]

I was wondering what effects would an early death of Himmmler (in 1910s) have on the Third Reich. Would there be a more pragmatic approach to dealing with nongermans (e.g. The likes of Todt, Goring, get more power over racial affairs) or do the downright lunatics (e.g. Darre) get an even more important role in NSDAP administration?

[David1819]

I was wondering what effects would an early death of Himmmler (in 1910s) have on the Third Reich. Would there be a more pragmatic approach to dealing with nongermans (e.g. The likes of Todt, Goring, get more power over racial affairs) or do the downright lunatics (e.g. Darre) get an even more important role in NSDAP administration?

Himmler was not unique I am sure someone else would have come out the woodwork to do his job

[LWD]

I was wondering what effects would an early death of Himmmler (in 1910s) have on the Third Reich. Would there be a more pragmatic approach to dealing with nongermans (e.g. The likes of Todt, Goring, get more power over racial affairs) or do the downright lunatics (e.g. Darre) get an even more important role in NSDAP administration?

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[BDV]

Himmler was not unique I am sure someone else would have come out the woodwork to do his job

The problem is that he wrote the job description.

Significant room exists for more pragmatic - less dogmatic AND more dogmatic - less pragmatic NSDAP administration policies.

[Paul Lantos]

Himmler became more extreme over time as circumstances dictated -- and as the varying factions in the regime, as they competed against one another, were rewarded for brutality and extremeness. But Himmler was far from alone in creating the police state, I mean Goering and Eicke and others were integral. Furthermore, the earliest initiating steps in the Holocaust to a degree bypassed Himmler. There was a command chain going from Hitler through Goering to Heydrich via the Four Year Plan (the Gestapo had police authority over this). This is why some of the authorizations for the "final solution" were written by Goering. Longerich points out that Heydrich received commands from Hitler via two major pathways -- the SS pathway via Himmler and the Four Year Plan pathway via Goering.

[Von Schadewald]

In 1935 Himmler founded the Deutsche Ahnenerbe - "The German Ancestral Heritage Organisation" in an attempt to create a new religion by reviving unorthodox cosmologies, occult science, pagan beliefs and magical principles in music, symbology, geomancy and architectural design, claiming to derive from the era of the Pyramids, Stonehenge and ancient Tibet.

As if in a horrific throwback to the time of the genocidal wizards Balaam and Balak, his efforts culminated in the fearsome fulfilment of the prophecies of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, with Holocaust victims literally being viewed by Himmler and his acolytes as massed human sacrifices in an act of twisted "Black Magic"!
("Genocide - an Act of Black Magic" - ch14 "Hitler's Secret Sciences", N.Pennick 1981)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pennick



It has been claimed ("The Master Race and the Chosen People - A Look at the Nazi Ideology in a Torah Light", Yaakov Feitman 1978) that Himmler & the Nazis intended to create an evil mirror-image challenge to Biblical Judaism: the Chosen People vs the Herrenvolk, the Holy Land vs the Fatherland, the Moshiach vs Der Fuhrer, the Adam Elyon vs the Ubermensch, Hashem Elokim vs Der Herr Gott, the Chumash vs Mein Kampf, the Destruction of Amalek vs the Final Solution of the Jew etc.

"Himmler's love letters turn up in Tel Aviv"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 61,00.html

[wenty]

I agree that somebody else simply would have filled his shoes, there were plenty of Nazi officials eager to please and become drunk on power.

Reinhard Heydrich died early and Rudolf Hess left the scene very early, among many other notables, but the Nazis moved on. What would have been interesting is whether Himmler's replacement would have tried to negotiate a peace near the end of the war as well.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Cantankerous]

I agree that somebody else simply would have filled his shoes, there were plenty of Nazi officials eager to please and become drunk on power.

Reinhard Heydrich died early and Rudolf Hess left the scene very early, among many other notables, but the Nazis moved on. What would have been interesting is whether Himmler's replacement would have tried to negotiate a peace near the end of the war as well.

Cheers,
Adam.

If partisans had shot Heinrich Himmler to death in 1943, Adolf Eichmann (who suggested hauling Jews and other "undesirables" to concentration camps in Polands by means of rail transport) might have become the new chief of the SS.

[Helmut0815]

If partisans had shot Heinrich Himmler to death in 1943, Adolf Eichmann (who suggested hauling Jews and other "undesirables" to concentration camps in Polands by means of rail transport) might have become the new chief of the SS.

Eichmann was a bureaucrat of death with a medium SS-Rank (Obersturmbannführer = lieutenant colonel). He never met Hitler personally, so I would say it is highly unlikely that he would have become chief of the SS. Perhaps Kaltenbrunner, Gestapo-Müller, Kammler or some other high ranking Gruppenführer.



best regards


Helmut