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Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Discussions on alternate history, including events up to 20 years before today.

Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Uncle Fritz on 15 May 2012 19:42

IMHO,it is also useless to discuss with some one believing in the myth of the betrayal of Poland by the west .

On the contrary, it is quite useless to discuss with someone dismissing uncomfortable to him views as "myths". :milsmile:

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Marcelo Jenisch on 15 May 2012 20:32

ljadw, can you give me some details about the West not having betrayed Poland?

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Marcelo Jenisch on 15 May 2012 20:32

ljadw, can you give me some details about the West not having betrayed Poland?

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Marcelo Jenisch on 15 May 2012 20:32

ljadw, can you give me some details about the West not having betrayed Poland?

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby ljadw on 15 May 2012 21:53

Although I am certain this has already been debated in an other thread,and,again,is of topic:
First :I could ask for exemples when Poland was betrayed.
What is a betrayal? IMHO:to promise some thing,and,then deliberately not honour the promise,although one had the possibility to do it
The fact that Britain did not start a big offensive in september 1939,is no breach of the military convention between Britain and Poland of late august 1939,because such offensive was not mentioned in august ,neither in the treaty of april 1939.And,Britain could not start such offensive,it had not the means to do this .
But,I know this has been debated elsewhere(it is already late,and I have no time to search) and I would not surprised if the moderator would lock this thread .

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Uncle Fritz on 15 May 2012 22:02

ljadw wrote:Although I am certain this has already been debated in an other thread,and,again,is of topic:
First :I could ask for exemples when Poland was betrayed.
What is a betrayal? IMHO:to promise some thing,and,then deliberately not honour the promise,although one had the possibility to do it
The fact that Britain did not start a big offensive in september 1939,is no breach of the military convention between Britain and Poland of late august 1939,because such offensive was not mentioned in august ,neither in the treaty of april 1939.And,Britain could not start such offensive,it had not the means to do this .
But,I know this has been debated elsewhere(it is already late,and I have no time to search) and I would not surprised if the moderator would lock this thread .


The allies guaranteed the integrity of 1939 polish borders, then behind back of polish government bargained with Stalin the illegal change of these borders (first in Teheran 1943). Whole negotiations were kept secret so to assure polish war effort will go on. The polish goverment was informed post facto in february 1945. How does that not qualify as betrayal, not only in moral but in diplomatic sense?

The betrayal of the western allies is not a popular myth, it is a historical fact well reinforced by historians. During WWI MacMahon and Balfour doublecrossed the Arabs in a similar fashion. You have simply nothing to discuss about.

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby ljadw on 16 May 2012 07:27

Could you produce the mysterious text where the west guaranteed the Polish préwar borders?
I don't think,because this text did not exist .

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Re: Britain and France don't declare war to Germany

Postby Andy H on 16 May 2012 11:07

This topic has surfaced many times not only in the WI section but also in other areas concerning the pre-war alliances/pacts/guarantees etc that each side felt were signed/honoured/betrayed etc. There is no need to re-hash it yet again.

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