Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 05 Mar 2014, 04:26

Does no one here ever look at a map? A quick check on a globe shows Maderia or the Azores about as useful for B29 bases as Iceland. Weather is better among other things. Swiviling the globe around it looks like Saharan Africa is in range, weather is worse tho & the interior has no roads of any value.

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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by OpanaPointer » 05 Mar 2014, 12:39

Azores-Berlin, 2110 miles
Reykjavik-Berlin, 1483 miles
Rabat-Berlin, 1621 miles.
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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 05 Mar 2014, 16:52

OpanaPointer wrote:Azores-Berlin, 2110 miles
Reykjavik-Berlin, 1483 miles
Rabat-Berlin, 1621 miles.
I favor all & Maderia as well. No use in limiting your options. You will want air bases in the middle east as well to reach any critical industry of the Germans east of Berlin.

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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by OpanaPointer » 05 Mar 2014, 17:08

Maine-Germany, ~3700 miles.
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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by phylo_roadking » 06 Mar 2014, 17:00

Does no one here ever look at a map? A quick check on a globe shows Maderia or the Azores about as useful for B29 bases as Iceland. Weather is better among other things. Swiviling the globe around it looks like Saharan Africa is in range, weather is worse tho & the interior has no roads of any value.
We're in danger now of brining in TOO many separate PODs to achieve the required end in 1945 ;)

Would Salazar agree with the occupation and use of the Azores by the U.S. as they did with the UK? Would he agree their use by anyone, risking his "neutrality" - if all of Western Europe is dominated by Hitler...with no opposition at all on or slightly off the continent?

Would the U.S. attempt TORCH lauched wholly from the continental U.S. and without staging at Gibraltar? Which I doubt would remain in British hands after a defeat of the UK...would the U.S. attempt TORCH at all without a British/Commonwealth offensive coing from the other direction?
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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 07 Mar 2014, 23:59

The Brits had started discussions with Salazar about the circumstance they might make use/take control of the Azores. Those talks were started at least as early as 1941 & went on into 1942. The US was informed of those discussions & in turn re wrought war plans to include up dated specifics for seizing the Azores, Maderia, Canaries, & whatever else might seem appropriate. The US (Roosevelt & State Dept pers) seem to have thought necessity would override any finer points of diplomacy. re: US occupation of Iceland, Vichy territories in the South Pacific & sundry other locations, ect...

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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 08 Mar 2014, 00:06

phylo_roadking wrote:...
Would the U.S. attempt TORCH lauched wholly from the continental U.S. and without staging at Gibraltar? Which I doubt would remain in British hands after a defeat of the UK...would the U.S. attempt TORCH at all without a British/Commonwealth offensive coing from the other direction?
Only Torch staging at Gibraltar was Eisenhowers temporary HQ, a squadron of B17 & a few ships not directly associated with the Eastern, Central, or Western Task Forces. The Task Forces destined for Algerian steamed straight past with only a salute. There was not time to waste once the Axis observers on the south Iberian coast spotted the columns of ships headed east. The fleet carrying the US I Armored Corps came directly from the US east coast and never came close to Gibraltar.

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Re: Did the atomic bomb doom Germany?

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Post by Cantankerous » 24 Jan 2024, 05:19

Albert Speer was convinced that World War II could be won before the German atomic bomb could be perfected, so the expenditures of 8 million Reichsmarks on the German A-bomb project (equivalent to about $2 million in 1945) were very puny compared to the $2 billion dollars spent on the Manhattan Project.

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