Adolf Hitler expelled from Germany in 1924

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Adolf Hitler expelled from Germany in 1924

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Post by Helmut0815 » 09 Aug 2014, 14:09

Given the following situation: After spending one year in Landsberg prison Hitler is not pardoned by Bavarian Supreme Court but according to the Republikschutzgesetz (republic protection act) expelled from Germany to his homeland Austria. Additionally he is charged with a five (or ten) years entry prohibition for Germany.

Would it have been possible to rebuild and reorganize the Nazi party in Germany without him or would the Nazis have fallen into absolute oblivion?


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Post by pugsville » 09 Aug 2014, 14:22

or they could have just shot him for treason in attempting a coup.

I doubt the Nazis would have been as strong without him. They would not have unified and would have been less coherent and prone to fragmentation pursing separate goals.


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Post by maltesefalcon » 09 Aug 2014, 14:48

Technically he was still an Austrian citizen at this time. So they could not charge him with treason. There were options like sedition etc. however.

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Post by wenty » 10 Aug 2014, 10:04

Many German people were unhappy with the sanctions that were placed on them in the wake of WWI, with the Treaty of Versailles and what not. Hitler preyed on this as the Nazis rose to power. Even if he was given a harsher sentence, this wouldn't have quelled the fire that was burning in the bellies of many Germans and if it had not been Hitler, somebody else would have lead the way to another conflict. It may not have been as serious as WWII but there would have been bloodshed. Let's face it, Hitler was far from being the only rabble rouser doing the rounds in Germany during the 1920's. He simply became the strongest of them and then removed the competition.

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Post by Jeremy Chan » 11 Aug 2014, 08:14

Prior his joining the DAP, it was still much a backwater of Bavarian revolutionary politics. It's safe to say that, in spite of the key players prominent among the Party by the time of the Putsch, Hitler was effectively the nucleus instrumental in bringing the Nazis to a leading role amongst the other factions jostling for power, and eventually gain the partnership of, and eventually stymie, the Conservatives. The others were simply not charismatic enough (Drexler), too blunt (Röhm) or too bureaucratic (Himmler) to necessarily cobble the NSDAP to the force that ballooned into in German society, that could credibly propose the promises its people wanted to hear.

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Post by wenty » 12 Aug 2014, 05:48

Well g'day there Jeremy! Good to see you're still around, hope you've been well!

Re your post, I agree that none of the competition had the manner and ability that Hitler did, but Hitler himself was able to stir up feeling amongst the ordinary citizens because they were already upset and downtrodden over the sanctions placed on them at the end of WWI. All they needed was a leader. Anybody could have done that. Hitler, however, did most of his damage before coming to power well after 1924. In fact, some might say that his stint in jail after the Munich Putsch actually aided his cause.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 12 Aug 2014, 10:45

He was eventually expelled from Prussia to keep him out of Berlin but he got back by getting a job (and citizenship) with one of the small states embassy in Berlin, I just can't for the life of me remember which state :roll: The details are in "Hitler's Berlin: Abused City."
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Post by Futurist » 29 Apr 2016, 21:53

maltesefalcon wrote:Technically he was still an Austrian citizen at this time. So they could not charge him with treason. There were options like sedition etc. however.
Non-citizen residents of countries can't be tried for treason? Completely serious question, for the record.

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Post by Futurist » 29 Apr 2016, 21:54

Helmut0815 wrote:Would it have been possible to rebuild and reorganize the Nazi party in Germany without him or would the Nazis have fallen into absolute oblivion?
Frankly, I suspect that we would see a weaker Nazi Party in this scenario (even during the Great Depression) which will eventually fragment into two or more separate parties. In turn, this very likely means that the Nazis will never come to power to Germany in this scenario. :)

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