Italians stop at Halfaya Pass in 1940?

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Italians stop at Halfaya Pass in 1940?

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Post by stg 44 » 27 Aug 2014, 16:38

What if during the initial Italian offensive into Egypt in 1940 they had stopped and fortified on Halfaya Pass until they could build up enough logistics to continue further in 1941 (building up the Benghazi-Tobruk rail road)? The OTL advance of the Italians bogged down due to supply issues and left the Italians stuck in the desert without a serious defensive line that the British exploited to smash their forces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_in ... e_invasion
On 16 September, the 3rd Coldstream Guards were almost cut off when a large group of Italian tanks moved inland from the coastal road in the region of Alam el Dab. A timely radio call to the 11th Hussars summoned assistance and kept the trap from closing. By the end of the same day, most of the covering forces had successfully withdrawn to the vicinity of Mersa Matruh.[26] By this time, the Italian advance had progressed about as far as it was going to go, the 1st Blackshirt Division had taken Sidi Barrani.[30]
The Italians advanced to Maktila, 10 mi (16 km) beyond Sidi Barrani; at that point, Graziani halted, citing supply problems. He laid out his troubles to Mussolini and Badoglio as thick as he dared. In doing so, he declared that the approach march to Mersa Matruh would take six days since his forces would all be on foot. Among other things, the list of items he required now included something new: 600 mules. It seems he had given up hope of receiving more transport vehicles.[2]

During the advance, the Italians captured a number of British airfields.[31]
Despite Mussolini urging him to continue the advance, Graziani dug in at Sidi Barrani. In addition, he established nine fortified camps at Maktila, Tummar (2), Nibeiwa and on top of the escarpment at Sofafi (4).[32] To his rear, he positioned Italian divisions at Buq Buq, Sidi Omar, and the Halfaya Pass.[33] Graziani was now about 80 mi (130 km) west of the main British defensive positions at Mersa Matruh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Compass
Operation Compass was the first major Allied military operation of the Western Desert Campaign during World War II. British and Commonwealth forces attacked Italian forces in western Egypt and eastern Libya in December 1940 to February 1941. The operation was a complete success from the perspective of the Allies. Allied forces advanced from inside Egypt to central Libya suffering very few casualties and captured 115,000 Italian prisoners. The Italians lost hundreds of tanks and over a thousand each of artillery pieces and aircraft.[6]
Had the Italians held on the only viable defensive position between Libya and Egypt, Halfaya Pass, it seems like their forces could have held easily and the British would have spent most of 1941 doing nothing in Egypt and later trying to bash their way through well into 1942. Thoughts on how this would effect the Desert War?

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Re: Italians stop at Halfaya Pass in 1940?

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Post by Markus Becker » 27 Aug 2014, 20:27

It would have been the smart thing to do but since the pass is right at the border, the invasion would not have looked like one to Mussolini! He'd probably have fired Graziani like Churchill fired generals who didn't or couldn't fullfill his unrealistic expectations.

With that in mind, could Graziani have prepared the pass as a fallback position? After digging in at Sidi Barrani he gradually moves more and more of his static formations back to the pass, keeping only a screen of mostly mobile units in exposed positions at Sidi Barrani.


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Markus Becker wrote:It would have been the smart thing to do but since the pass is right at the border, the invasion would not have looked like one to Mussolini! He'd probably have fired Graziani like Churchill fired generals who didn't or couldn't fullfill his unrealistic expectations.

With that in mind, could Graziani have prepared the pass as a fallback position? After digging in at Sidi Barrani he gradually moves more and more of his static formations back to the pass, keeping only a screen of mostly mobile units in exposed positions at Sidi Barrani.
Apparently by October Benny recognized that logistically further attacks were impossible and asked Graziani if he wanted to resign his command; perhaps at that point if they fell back and waited to build up a rail line from Benghazi to Tobruk they could have waited from November 1940 on at Halfaya? Or of Italo Balbo hadn't died he could use his political standing to resist the orders to attack and hold on the Pass until the logistical situation was better? Britain effectively would really not be able to attack prior to November 1941 when enough forces to match the Italians would be available (Op. Crusader). In the meantime the Germans are kept out of the region and can operate elsewhere, while Italy builds itself up without having lost all of those men in 1940, so would be even more formidable by 1941, both due to logistics improvements, but also the ending of the Greek campaign and reinforcements to the initial Libyan armies.

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stg 44 wrote:Apparently by October Benny recognized that logistically further attacks were impossible and asked Graziani if he wanted to resign his command; perhaps at that point if they fell back and waited to build up a rail line from Benghazi to Tobruk they could have waited from November 1940 on at Halfaya? Or of Italo Balbo hadn't died he could use his political standing to resist the orders to attack and hold on the Pass until the logistical situation was better? Britain effectively would really not be able to attack prior to November 1941 when enough forces to match the Italians would be available (Op. Crusader). In the meantime the Germans are kept out of the region and can operate elsewhere, while Italy builds itself up without having lost all of those men in 1940, so would be even more formidable by 1941, both due to logistics improvements, but also the ending of the Greek campaign and reinforcements to the initial Libyan armies.
Withdraw, without a fight, after capturing those airfields and Sidi Barrani together with its tram system? That doesn't seem likely. Remaining in Libya seems more, if not very, plausible. But I'm puzzled by the reference to Operation Crusader. Clearly any attack by the Western Desert Force would operate in a Crusaderesque geographical context, albeit with weaker rail links and (presumably) worse roads. Other than that, the comparison seems odd. There's no DAK in the picture and probably nothing to match XX Corps either. Which leaves logistics. And politics of course.

Exactly how much *ASC support 8th Army had during Crusader & its precursors is something of a mystery to me, but there is some information here: http://rommelsriposte.com/2013/11/17/mo ... mber-1941/. The numbers may seem daunting at first look, but there was more (and sometimes bigger and better) of everything to be supplied in November 1941. Just add lorries? South Africa seems to have been producing/assembling over 300 a week by late 1940, so there's one source. Then there's the UK, Canada, Australia, India, oh, and the USA too.

Politics then, and its cousin, grand strategy. Decisions to reinforce Egypt and the Middle East were largely taken in July (described in Playfair, M&ME, vol 1, chapter X et seq, available at Hyperwar). While the schedule might vary, Middle East Command could expect the arrival of 2nd Armoured Division, the balance of 6th Australian & (2nd) New Zealand Divisions, 5th Indian Division, two brigades from 7th Australian Division and a plethora of supporting combat, combat support and combat service support units together with relatively bountiful quantities of equipment by early in 1941.

It doesn't take a deep study of Winston Churchill's style of leadership to conclude that all of this largesse would have come with strings attached, first and foremost the expectation - indeed requirement - that the Prime Ministerial desire for Action This Day should be indulged, and soon. Unless there were more plausible venues for this action than the Libyan frontier - and Playfair can be read as suggesting that the Western Desert was just where action was expected when the decision to reinforce was made in July - I rather suspect that Generals Wilson and O'Connor would have found themselves occupied with planning an operation against the Italian forces defending the frontier & Halfaya Pass.

Having disposed of if - it's really not in doubt - that leaves two questions. What and when? What would they be expected to produce? Would it be a limited operation against all or part of the frontier forces (i.e. something like Compass was initially planned to be), or something larger (i.e. Crusader, except with a siege of Tobruk in place of a relief)? As for the when, that depends largely on logistical capacity, as discussed, and required force levels.

I suspect the what would be at the more modest end of the scale, initially at least. Reading Playfair again, I'm struck by British overestimates of Italian motorisation and mobility. Would a pair of strongly reinforced divisions - 7th Armoured & 6th Australian - have seemed adequate for a limited offensive? In that case, which seems unlikely given British assumptions about Italian capabilities, an attack in early January may be possible.

If, as seems more reasonable, a second complete infantry division were required, (2nd) New Zealand Division might be available by early February. With two infantry divisions, would a single infantry tank battalion (or more accurately, part of one) have been sufficient? If not, additional cruiser and light tanks would have been available, but even if efforts had been made to collect a battalion or so of the more heavily armoured tanks (heavily is a relative term) for close support duties, that does seem to be a weakness. But would WSC have been willing to sit back and wait, all for the want of a single infantry tank battalion? Suez was only a month from the UK by fast steamer, so even if another 50 Matildas were the sine qua non of an offensive, prolonged delay seems unlikely.

So, February then, which will probably make it one of those Who won the air war anyway? operations if all goes well for the Western Desert Force, at least so long as Fliegerkorps X doesn't turn up. And it probably would go well, since there's no reason to think that replicating Operation Compass in a different location would produce vastly different results. Of course, Mussolini & Graziani can't know that, so this is not a reason in itself for them to reject the do-nothing option. But such reasons do exist.

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Post by sitalkes » 08 Sep 2014, 02:40

Maybe they could keep going if they removed the weapons from a couple of divisions and used those divisions as a labour and logistics force only (instant workforce for building a better road and/or railway and for moving up the supplies, perhaps a good use for the less well trained blackshirt battalions). They should re-distribute the weapons amongst the mobile troops and also re-distribute the weapons so that as many units as possible have the same weapons (not several types of rifle within one unit for instance). They should also re-organise the divisions into larger units and throw out the binary organisation that made a lot of divisions, but made them useless. Well perhaps that is only really possible if you don't advance and is a suitable thing to do if you do sit at Halfaya Pass. After sitting there for a while and re-training and re-equipping this way there might be a better Italian army, better able to take on the British when attacked (though no improvement to the Italian tanks perhaps they also could be better organised). Sitting in the sun on the border without attacking when you have such a huge numerical superiority is going to cause morale to suffer and you still have the awful Italian officers and the distance between them and their men to contend with.

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Post by Markus Becker » 08 Sep 2014, 16:56

I discovered another weakness with holding a line at the Halfaya Pass. The pass can be flanked and it was during Operation Crusader. It took some time to fall.

The question is what the British military would do? Bypass the pass and continue the advance as they are winning the war of manouvre or be cautious and first reduce the powerful and stubborn garrison in their rear?

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Post by amcl » 13 Sep 2014, 04:11

Markus Becker wrote:I discovered another weakness with holding a line at the Halfaya Pass. The pass can be flanked and it was during Operation Crusader. It took some time to fall.

The question is what the British military would do? Bypass the pass and continue the advance as they are winning the war of manouvre or be cautious and first reduce the powerful and stubborn garrison in their rear?
No matter how stubborn, and Italian soldiers could be very stubborn indeed as we all know, the garrison would not have been equipped - particularly with anti-tank weapons - or indeed trained to the same standard that General de Giorgis' men were. The British couldn't & wouldnt leave Italian forces in control of the Halfaya Pass-Sollum area. They probably lacked the logistical means to remain in strength at any great distance beyond the wire for very long without control of both. Well, either that or a lot more lorries than were available in December 1940.

Whether it's a good idea for Italy to seize Sollum & Halfaya Pass depends on what we think the Italians would think. There is no doubt at all that they could because they did. There is no doubt that they could have fortified the area, had they chosen to do so & had the resources been made available, mainly mines, mines and more mines. Sollum's exiguous port could handle 350 tons a day in an emergency and was only around 30 miles (via Halfaya Pass) from likely locations for a southern forward supply depot, so there are obvious benefits in denying the British an easy way to establish & replenish such forward depots.

But we shouldn't overstate the logistical case. During Operation Compass, FSD no. 6, which was somewhat east of Sidi Suleiman, was established well before Sollum was available. This supported 7th Armoured Division until FSD no. 9 opened, near Fort Capuzzo, after the fall of Sollum. So, even in December 1940, Western Desert Force had sufficient logistical means for 7th Armoured Division (or part of it) to operate on & beyond the frontier wire, supplied from Mersa Matruh and/or Sidi Barrani.

[Source-wise, there are maps, etc, in Chapters XIV & XV of 'The Mediterranean & the Middle East', vol I, available on Hyperwar. There is a more detailed map of the Sollum-Halfaya Pass area in vol II. Urmel's Crusader Project article on the Halfaya Pass garrison touches on the logistical problems the garrison caused, and like everything there it is well worth the read.]

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Post by Urmel » 08 Nov 2014, 22:58

Thanks for the compliments Angus!
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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