Axis invasion of Continental USA

[flakbait]

Think you left out the occasional drought, flash grass fires, and rarer locust swarms...

[Carl Schwamberger]

We would follow the fire trucks on our bicycles to the grass fires along the road south of town. Never a dull moment.

[ChristopherPerrien]

My grandmother mentioned "seeing a tree" while driving was exciting in Kansas.

[OpanaPointer]

"The greatest thing about Kansas is the state line."

[Carl Schwamberger]

When departing Whichita my girl & I stopped for lunch in a resturant in a suburban mall parking lot. The 'Mirabelle' turned out to be selling French cuisine on white table cloths and good tableware. A efficient & unobtrusive staff in suits provided flawless service. ...and the price was only a little higher than the Dennys across the street. One of those weird occurances science cant explain I guess.

[flakbait]

There wasn`t any tornado activity occurring nearby at the time, was there ? Ie, "Gee, Toto, I don`t think we`re in Kansas any more..." That or the music from "The Twilight Zone" perhaps...

[Carl Schwamberger]

Maybe there was a worm hole or space warp in that parking lot? When turning off the street we turned onto someplace hipper than Wichita?

When 'furriners' come to visit us in Indiana we like to take them to small town steak houses or surf n turf diners. We know which are the good ones & the European & Japanese, or even the big city folk are blown away by the exotic atmosphere & features. "Yes all the deer heads on the wall are from the regular customers." "No the driver of the combine is not having dinner here. It is parked for service at the mechanics garage next door." "Yes the Smelts are fresh, not frozen. They were caught wild from the creek we passed over just this afternoon."

[maltesefalcon]

With respect....
We now are at two and a half pages (of four total)of posts that have little to do with the original premise.

[ChristopherPerrien]

With respect....
We now are at two and a half pages (of four total)of posts that have little to do with the original premise.

Southern Saskatchewan, prolly looks like Kansas.

[Guaporense]

Would this even be possible? The scenario assumes, Moscow and Leningrad are taken in 1941, and the USSR excepts the territorial concessions in Generalplan Ost. Germany then turns to UK and successfully launches Operation Sea Lion in 1942. Albert Speers economic reforms begin at start of 1942 after Japan forces China's hand to the bargaining table, and peace is declared with very pro Japan terms. The US carrier fleet in still in Pearl Harbor on the 7th of December 1941, and Japan wins Battle of the Coral sea and Midway with few casualty's.

What would be the prerequisites to an Axis invasion, i.e. Naval supremacy. Where would the landing likely be and necessary forces involved. Lets assume with control of Western and Eastern seaboard citys, plus Detroit and Michigan will cause the USA to surrender. Would in even be possible?

Bradley

I believe an Axis invasion of the US would be extremely hard.

In Germany's case we had the following situation:

- 2/3 of German army was pinned down by the Soviet army and half of the air force.
- The Allies had the UK to use as a base.
- The Allies had several times the industrial production compared to Germany, enabling aerial supremacy and naval supremacy.

Still it was a quite difficult task.

For the Germans to invade mainland US it would be against the entire US army and the logistics of supplying these invasion forces across the Atlantic without any base like the UK. In this case the US could have mobilized like 200 divisions or more instead of the historical 100 divisions, since they wouldn't have to deal with the logistics of supplying forces across the Atlantic themselves.

I think it's almost impossible. Only if they managed to:

- Capture all French and British naval assets, launch a massive naval attack on the US navy and sink the entire US navy. In 1940 the combined strength of the French, British, Italian, Japanese, Dutch, Belgian and German naval forces was several times larger than the US's. I wonder how they could have manned all those ships though. But assuming they magically man all these ships with trained sailors it would be a possibility.

Then they would need to invade Canada and manage to mass around 150-200 divisions equally as large force as they did against the USSR on the Canadian border and launch an invasion before the US army is fully mobilized. Then victory is easy.

That would require even quicker German victories, like November 1941 victory in the Eastern front (as was originally planned) and invasion and capture of the UK by mid 1942. Invade and occupy Canada by late 1942 so invade the US by early 1943 before they can have a fully mobilize army and hope that the US doesn't occupy Canada before the Germans do (which would be simply naive).

It's possible but difficult.

[Konig_pilsner]

Well duh, of course they could have.

They would just need to attack as liberators, and countless US citizens would join the Nazi's to fight against their capatalist overlords. They could all be supplied with French weapons, fed with bread taken from the mouths of German school children, and of course their loyalty could be counted on 100%.

The fact that the Germans never did is proof how stupid they were. Dumb racist Nazi's.

KP

[Tim Smith]

The only way the Axis could successfully invade the USA is if the USA had virtually no armed forces at all.

How could this happen? Imagine if the US presidency was dominated by a succession of very popular, completely pacifist, devout Christians from the Bible Belt from the 1930's onwards. These people would run the US armed forces into the ground because they are totally isolationist and believe war for any reason is completely immoral.

So not only is the US Army reduced to a small border patrol and internal security force, the US Navy is also reduced to a tiny coastal defence force with no battleships or aircraft carriers at all, and very few cruisers or submarines. We're talking about a US Army, US Army Air Corps, and US Navy about the size and strength of the Netherlands Army, Air Force, and Navy. And also poorly equipped with outdated WW1-era weapons.

If the US armed services were that weak, a Japanese invasion would be possible, although still logistically very difficult.

[RichTO90]

It's possible but difficult.

Indeed...and it is just as possible to graft wings onto a pig, which then, of course, might find it equally possible to fly.

[gurn]

I don't know if that winged pig could fly, but maybe it could glide. lol

[OpanaPointer]

I don't know if that winged pig could fly, but maybe it could glide. lol

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