A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards? (Also, for the record, Alsace-Lorraine would need to be permanently demilitarized in this scenario in order to prevent France from attacking Germany in order to try conquering other German territories such as the Saar(land).)
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
Indeed, a one-front war is certainly much better for Germany than a two-front war is.Futurist wrote:Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
Except the parts Alsace-Lorraine Germany took in 1871 were German. Giving France AL was not only politically impossible (betraying your own citizens in a position of power), but would do nothing to deter France from seeking another war.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards? (Also, for the record, Alsace-Lorraine would need to be permanently demilitarized in this scenario in order to prevent France from attacking Germany in order to try conquering other German territories such as the Saar(land).)
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
Didn't the loss of Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 significantly strain Franco-German relations afterwards, though?SpicyJuan wrote:Except the parts Alsace-Lorraine Germany took in 1871 were German. Giving France AL was not only politically impossible (betraying your own citizens in a position of power), but would do nothing to deter France from seeking another war.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards? (Also, for the record, Alsace-Lorraine would need to be permanently demilitarized in this scenario in order to prevent France from attacking Germany in order to try conquering other German territories such as the Saar(land).)
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
No doubt about it. The French thought Alsace-Lorraine was theirs since they had held on to it for several hundred years, yet it was still German.Futurist wrote:Didn't the loss of Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 significantly strain Franco-German relations afterwards, though?SpicyJuan wrote:Except the parts Alsace-Lorraine Germany took in 1871 were German. Giving France AL was not only politically impossible (betraying your own citizens in a position of power), but would do nothing to deter France from seeking another war.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards? (Also, for the record, Alsace-Lorraine would need to be permanently demilitarized in this scenario in order to prevent France from attacking Germany in order to try conquering other German territories such as the Saar(land).)
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
If so, though, then wouldn't returning most or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France have significantly reduced the desire of the French people for a new war with Germany in the future?SpicyJuan wrote:No doubt about it. The French thought Alsace-Lorraine was theirs since they had held on to it for several hundred years, yet it was still German.Futurist wrote:Didn't the loss of Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 significantly strain Franco-German relations afterwards, though?SpicyJuan wrote:Except the parts Alsace-Lorraine Germany took in 1871 were German. Giving France AL was not only politically impossible (betraying your own citizens in a position of power), but would do nothing to deter France from seeking another war.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards? (Also, for the record, Alsace-Lorraine would need to be permanently demilitarized in this scenario in order to prevent France from attacking Germany in order to try conquering other German territories such as the Saar(land).)
Any thoughts on this? After all, if I was the German Kaiser in the pre-World War I years, then I would have at least considered doing this so that I could have a free hand in the East (against Russia) in the event of a future war.
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
No.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards?
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
Why exactly, though?glenn239 wrote:No.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards?
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
Because it's strategically much more important than AL. Also, handing back some land is only appeasement which gets you nowhere in the long-term.Futurist wrote:Why exactly, though?glenn239 wrote:No.Futurist wrote:If Germany would have been willing to return some or all of Alsace-Lorraine to France in the years before the start of World War I (whether through a French purchase of Alsace-Lorraine or through a plebiscite with a pro-France result), then would France have been willing to break and end the Franco-Russian Alliance afterwards?
Re: A Pre-World War I German Return of Some or All of Alsace-Lorraine to France?
As per Spicy Juan above. France's antagonism towards Germany was as a rival Great Power. The lost provinces stung, but in the same manner that those who are hostile tend to hold grudges because they are useful, (think Hitler with Versailles - if he'd gotten his alliance with Britain and a free hand against Russia, he'd have changed his tune about Versailles, right? Same idea). If Germany had returned them, France and Russia would have seen t his as evidence of German weakness, wetting Franco-Russian confidence and compromising Germany's security.Futurist wrote: Why exactly, though?
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Good points, you guys!