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Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby henryk on 18 Sep 2012 22:18

Pilsudski had grand ideas, particularly for the Intermarum, or in Polish Międzymorze. I think of it as the "Central European Union".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarum
Międzymorze
Międzymorze; also known in English as Intermarium or Intermarum) was a plan, pursued after World War I by Polish leader Józef Piłsudski, for a federation, under Poland's aegis,[1][2][3][4][5] of Central and Eastern European countries. Invited to join the proposed federation were the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Finland, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.
The Polish name Mię dzymorze, which means "Intersea" or "Between-seas," has been rendered into English, from the Latin, as "Intermarium" or "Intermarum."
The proposed federation was meant to emulate the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea, that, from the end of the 16th century to the end of the 18th, had united the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
Intermarium complemented Pił sudski's other geopolitical vision— Prometheism, whose goal was the dismemberment of the Russian Empire and that Empire's divestment of its territorial conquests.[6][7][8][9]
Intermarium was, however, perceived by some Lithuanians as a threat to their newly established independence, and by some Ukrainians as a threat to their aspirations for independence,[10][11][12] and was opposed by Russia and by most Western powers, except France [13][14]
Within two decades of the failure of Pił sudski's grand scheme, all the countries that he had viewed as candidates for membership in the Intermarium federation had fallen to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, except for Finland (which nonetheless suffered some territorial losses in the Winter War).

Czartoryski's plan
Between the November and January Uprisings, in 1832–61, the idea of resurrecting an updated Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was advocated by Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski, residing in exile at the Hôtel Lambert in Paris.[15]
In his youth Czartoryski had fought against Russia in the Polish-Russian War of 1792 and would have done so again in the Kosciuszko Uprising of 1794, had he not been arrested at Brussels on his way back to Poland. Subsequently in 1795 he and his younger brother had been commanded to enter the Russian army, and Catherine the Great had been so favorably impressed with them that she had restored to them part of their confiscated estates. Adam Czartoryski had subsequently served Tsars Paul and Alexander I as a diplomat and foreign minister, during the Napoleonic Wars establishing an anti-French coalition. Czartoryski had been one of the leaders of the Polish November 1830 Uprising and, after its suppression by Russia, had been sentenced to death but eventually allowed to go into exile in France.

In Paris the "visionary"[16] statesman and former friend, confidant and de facto foreign minister of Russia's Tsar Alexander I acted as the "uncrowned king and unacknowledged foreign minister" of a nonexistent Poland.[17]
In his book, Essai sur la diplomatie (Essay on Diplomacy), completed in 1827 but published only in 1830, Czartoryski observed that, "Having extended her sway south and west, and being by the nature of things unreachable from the east and north, Russia becomes a source of constant threat to Europe." He argued that she would have done better, cultivating "friends rather than slaves." He also identified a future threat from Prussia and urged the incorporation of East Prussia into a resurrected Poland.[18]

His diplomatic efforts anticipated Pilsudski's Prometheist project in linking efforts for Polish independence with similar movements of other subjugated nations in Europe and in the east, as far as the Caucasus.[19]
Czartoryski aspired above all to reconstitute — with French, British and Turkish support — a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth federated with the Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Romanians and all the South Slavs of the future Yugoslavia. Poland, in his concept, could have mediated the conflicts between Hungary and the Slavs, and between Hungary and Romania.[20] The plan seemed achievable[21] during the period of national revolutions in 1848–49 but foundered on lack of western support, on Hungarian intransigence toward the Czechs, Slovaks and Romanians, and on the rise of German nationalism.[22]

"Nevertheless," concludes Dziewanowski, "the Prince's endeavor constitutes a (vital) link (between) the 16th-century Jagiellon (federative prototype) and Józef Pilsudski's federative-Prometheist program (that was to follow after World War I]."[20]

Pilsudski's "Miedzymorze"
Józef Pilsudski's strategic goal was to resurrect an updated, quasi-democratic, form of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, while working for the disintegration of the Russian Empire, and later the Soviet Union, into its ethnic constituents.[23] (The latter was his Prometheist project.)[23] Pilsudski saw an Intermarium federation as a counterweight to Russian and German imperialism.[24][25]
According to Dziewanowski, the plan was never expressed in systematic fashion but instead relied on Pilsudski's pragmatic instincts.[26] According to British scholar George Sanford, about the time of the Polish-Soviet War of 1920 Pilsudski recognized that the plan was not feasible.[27]

Opposition
Pilsudski's plan faced opposition from virtually all quarters. The Soviets, whose sphere of influence was directly threatened, worked to thwart the Intermarum agenda.[13] The Allied Powers assumed that Bolshevism was only a temporary threat and did not want to see their important (from the balance-of-power viewpoint) traditional ally, Russia, weakened. They resented Pilsudski's refusal to aid their White allies, viewed Pilsudski with suspicion, saw his plans as unrealistic, and urged Poland to confine itself to areas of clear-cut Polish ethnicity.[28][29][30] The [29][31] Lithuanians, who had re-established their independence in 1918, were unwilling to join; the Ukrainians, similarly seeking independence,[14] likewise feared that Poland might again subjugate them;[29] and the Belorusians, who had little national consciousness, were not interested either in independence or in Pilsudski's proposals of union.[29] The chances for Pilsudski's scheme were not enhanced by a series of post-World War I wars and border conflicts between Poland and its neighbors in disputed territories — the Polish-Soviet War, the Polish-Lithuanian War, the Polish-Ukrainian War, and border conflicts between Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Pilsudski's concept was opposed within Poland itself, where National Democracy leader Roman Dmowski[32][33] argued for an ethnically purer Poland in which minorities would be Polonized.[34][35] Many Polish politicians, including Dmowski, opposed the idea of a multicultural federation, preferring instead to work for a unitary Polish nation-state.[33] Sanford has described Pilsudski's policies after his resumption of power in 1926 as similarly focusing on the Polonization of the country's Eastern Slavic minorities and on the centralization of power.[27]

While some scholars accept at face value the democratic principles claimed by Pilsudski for his federative plan,[36] others view such claims with skepticism, pointing out a coup d'état in 1926 when Pilsudski assumed nearly dictatorial powers.[9][37] In particular, his project is viewed unfavorably by most Ukrainian historians, with Oleksandr Derhachov arguing that the federation would have created a greater Poland in which the interests of non-Poles, especially Ukrainians, would have gotten short shrift.[11]

Some historians hold that Pilsudski, who argued that "There can be no independent Poland without an independent Ukraine," may have been more interested in splitting Ukraine from Russia than in assuring Ukrainians' welfare.[38][39] He did not hesitate to use military force to expand Poland's borders to Galicia and Volhynia, crushing a Ukrainian attempt at self-determination in disputed territories east of the Bug River which contained a substantial Polish presence[40] (a Polish majority mainly in cities such as Lwów, surrounded by a rural Ukrainian majority).

Speaking of Poland's future frontiers, Pilsudski said: "All that we can gain in the west depends on the Entente — on the extent to which it may wish to squeeze Germany," while in the east "there are doors that open and close, and it depends on who forces them open and how far."[41] In the eastern chaos, the Polish forces set out to expand as far as feasible. On the other hand, Poland had no interest in joining the western intervention in the Russian Civil War[40] or in conquering Russia itself.[42]

Failure
In the aftermath of the Polish-Soviet War (1919–21), Pilsudski's concept of a federation of Central and Eastern European countries, based on a Polish-Ukrainian axis, lost any chance of realization.[43]
Pilsudski next contemplated a federation or alliance with the Baltic and Balkan states. This plan envisioned a Central European union including Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Greece — thus stretching not only west-east from the Baltic to the Black Sea, but north-south from the Arctic Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea.[43] This project also failed: Poland was distrusted by Czechoslovakia and Lithuania; and while it had relatively good relations with the other countries, they had tensions with their neighbors, making it virtually impossible to create in Central Europe a large block of countries that all had good relations with each other. In the end, in place of a large federation, only a Polish-Romanian alliance was established, beginning in 1921.[44]

Pilsudski died in 1935. A later version of his concept was attempted by interwar Polish Foreign Minister Józef Beck, a Pilsudski protégé, whose proposal during the late 1930s of a "Third Europe" — an alliance of Poland, Romania and Hungary — also gained little ground before World War II supervened.[43]

The failure to create a strong counterweight to Germany and the Soviet Union, such as Pilsudski's Miedzymorze, according to some historians, doomed the prospective member countries to their eventual fate as victims of World War II.[24][25][45][46]

World War II and since
Wladyslaw SikorskiThe concept of a "Central European Union" — a triangular geopolitical entity anchored in the Baltic, Black, and Adriatic or Aegean Seas — was revived during World War II in Wladyslaw Sikorski's Polish Government in Exile. A first step toward its implementation — 1942 discussions between the Greek, Yugoslav, Polish and Czechoslovak governments in exile regarding prospective Greek-Yugoslav and Polish-Czechoslovak federations — ultimately foundered on Soviet opposition, which led to Czech hesitation and Allied indifference or hostility.[43] A declaration of the Polish Underground State from that period called for the creation of a Central European federal union, without domination by any single state.[47][48]

Other forms of the concept have survived into the late 20th and early 21st centuries, including regional-security proposals that were not framed as being Polish-led. Poland's neighbors, however, continued to perceive the idea as imperialist.[49]

After the Warsaw Pact collapsed, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic joined NATO in 1999; and Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia, in 2004. Ukraine had also expressed interest in joining under the Viktor Yushchenko administration.[50] The current government of Ukraine has no such desire.[51]
In 2004 Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and the Baltic states joined the European Union; and in 2007, Romania and Bulgaria.
On 12 May 2011 the Visegrad Group countries (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary) announced the formation of a battlegroup under the command of Poland. The battlegroup would be in place by 2016 as an independent force and would not be part of the NATO command. In addition, starting in 2013, the four countries would begin military exercises together under the auspices of the NATO Response Force. Some scholars see this as a first step toward close cooperation in the Central Europe region.[52]

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Henryk, these are excellent

Postby waldzee on 18 Sep 2012 22:35

Thank you!

Quick query: Should Wilno / Vilnius have stayed with Lituania?

http://www.wiwi.hu-berlin.de/professure ... lfstayorgo ages 13, 14,& 22 shed some light on the abandonment

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Re: Henryk, these are excellent

Postby henryk on 19 Sep 2012 20:22

waldzee wrote:Thank you!

Quick query: Should Wilno / Vilnius have stayed with Lituania?

A controversial topic.
viewtopic.php?f=111&t=140142
Census results showed few Lithuanians in the city and surrounding area. Even in the province overall, Poles were a majority. Thus it should have been Polish.

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Re: coal dispute with Britain

Postby waldzee on 20 Sep 2012 06:04

Durignthe British general Strike of 1925-26 Poland gained the markets of the Baltic Region ( Except for Lithuania ),offsetting the German Boycott.
I've read that Britian placed strong pressure on Scandinavia to half of the Polish market afterwards.

Truly short sighted.- Investment in 20'sa Poand would have Strengthened the country for the 1930's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby michael mills on 23 Sep 2012 03:25

However it was dressed up, the "Miedzymorze" concept was in reality an attempt to re-establish the hegemony of a Polish ruling class over the peasant peoples of Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine.

There was no way that the ethnic Lithuanian and Ukrainian educated elites, who had arisen only very recently from the peasant masses, would have accepted such hegemony. The Ukrainians in particular remembered their history of a long period of political, religious and economic suppression by a militantly Catholic Polish ruling class.

The "Miedzymorze" concept might have had more prospect of success in Belarus, where there was little sense of national identity, with little educated elite having emerged yet from the peasant masses, and most of those peasants simply identifying themselves as "local people" rather than as "Poles" or "Belarusins".

As for the Vilnius area, the bulk of the population was bi-lingual in Polish and Lithuanian, and Catholic in religion, hence it was unclear whether it was ethnically Polish or Lithuanian. Whether an individual Catholic who spoke both languages identified as Polish or Lithuanian was largely a matter of individual preference, which might easily change over time.

When the Vilnius area was under German occupation during the First World War, the German authorities carried out a census which found that the overwhelming majority of the Catholic population self-identified as Polish. Lithuanian activists claimed that that census result was due to the influence of the Catholic clergy, which was entirely Polish nationalist in orientation, and essentially ordered its parishioners to declare Polish nationality.

The claims of the Lithuanian activists probably have a degree of validity. Details of the census carried out by the German occupation authorities can be found in this two-volume book:

"East Central Europe during World War I : From Foreign Domination to National Independence", by Wiktor Sukiennicki (Boulder : East European Monographs ; New York : Distributed by Columbia University Press, 1984).

The next census in the Vilnius area was held after that area had been illegally seized by Polish forces in 1920, and not surprisingly it again found that the overwhelming majority of the Catholic population was Polish (the non-Catholic population consisting of a large number of Jews and a smaller number of Orthodox). Again the Lithuanian Government claimed that the census was rigged, with the Catholic population pressured into declaring Polish nationality rather than Lithuanian.

Today the great majority of the population of the Vilnius area identifies as ethnically Lithuanian, but to a large degree it consists of grand-children and great-grand-children of persons who declared themselves Polish back in the 1920s.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby henryk on 23 Sep 2012 23:25

michael mills wrote:As for the Vilnius area, the bulk of the population was bi-lingual in Polish and Lithuanian, and Catholic in religion, hence it was unclear whether it was ethnically Polish or Lithuanian. Whether an individual Catholic who spoke both languages identified as Polish or Lithuanian was largely a matter of individual preference, which might easily change over time.

When the Vilnius area was under German occupation during the First World War, the German authorities carried out a census which found that the overwhelming majority of the Catholic population self-identified as Polish. Lithuanian activists claimed that that census result was due to the influence of the Catholic clergy, which was entirely Polish nationalist in orientation, and essentially ordered its parishioners to declare Polish nationality.

The claims of the Lithuanian activists probably have a degree of validity. Details of the census carried out by the German occupation authorities can be found in this two-volume book:

"East Central Europe during World War I : From Foreign Domination to National Independence", by Wiktor Sukiennicki (Boulder : East European Monographs ; New York : Distributed by Columbia University Press, 1984).

The next census in the Vilnius area was held after that area had been illegally seized by Polish forces in 1920, and not surprisingly it again found that the overwhelming majority of the Catholic population was Polish (the non-Catholic population consisting of a large number of Jews and a smaller number of Orthodox). Again the Lithuanian Government claimed that the census was rigged, with the Catholic population pressured into declaring Polish nationality rather than Lithuanian.

Today the great majority of the population of the Vilnius area identifies as ethnically Lithuanian, but to a large degree it consists of grand-children and great-grand-children of persons who declared themselves Polish back in the 1920s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnius
The 17th century brought a number of setbacks. The Commonwealth was involved in a series of wars, collectively known as The Deluge. During the Russo-Polish War (1654–1667), Vilnius was occupied by Russian forces; it was pillaged and burned, and its population was massacred. During the Great Northern War it was looted by the Swedish army. An outbreak of bubonic plague in 1710 killed about 35,000 residents; devastating fires occurred in 1715, 1737, 1741, 1748, and 1749.[6] The city's growth lost its momentum for many years, but the population rebounded, and by the beginning of the 19th century its population reached 20,000.

Probably the original Lithuanian population was replaced by Polish and other immigrants.
Three successive censuses, Russian, German and Polish gave the same results: only a few Lithuanians in the city.
September 1939 – June 1941
The Lithuanians immediately attempted to Lithuania the city, for example by Lithuanian Polish schools.[25] However, the whole of Lithuania was annexed by the Soviet Union on 3 August 1940 following a June ultimatum from the Soviets demanding, among other things, that unspecified numbers of Red Army soldiers be allowed to enter the country for the purpose of helping to form a more pro-Soviet government. After the ultimatum was issued and Lithuania further occupied, a Soviet government was installed with Vilnius as the capital of the newly created Lithuanian SSR. Up to 40,000 of the city's inhabitants were subsequently arrested by the NKVD and sent to gulags in the far eastern areas of the Soviet Union.

A lot of Poles removed.
In July 1944, Vilnius was taken from the Germans by the Soviet Army and the Polish Armia Krajowa (see Operation Ostra Brama and the Vilnius Offensive). The NKVD arrested the leaders of the Armia Krajowa after requesting a meeting. Shortly afterwards, the town was once again incorporated into the Soviet Union as the capital of the Lithuanian SSR.

The war had irrevocably altered the town — most of the predominantly Polish and Jewish population had been either exterminated during the German occupation or deported to Siberia during the first Soviet occupation. Many of the surviving inhabitants, particularly members of the intelligentsia, were now targeted and deported to Siberia in the beginning of the second Soviet occupation. The majority of the remaining population was compelled to relocate to Communist Poland by 1946, and Sovietization began in earnest.

Again Poles removed.
2001: According to the 2001 census by the Vilnius Regional Statistical Office, there were 542,287 inhabitants in the Vilnius city municipality, of which 57.8% were Lithuanians, 18.7% Poles, 14% Russians, 4.0% Belarusians, 1.3% Ukrainians and 0.5% Jews

So even a Lithuanian census admits substantial number of Poles still in the city, despite the massive removals.
It is unreasonable to distrust the pre-1918 censuses. Note that, other than the city and surrounding area, the censuses did show large numbers of Lithuanians.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby michael mills on 24 Sep 2012 00:32

Henryk has made a rather large error of logic, namely to assume that all the persons deported by the Soviet authorities in 1940 and again in 1944 were persons who self-identified as Polish.

No proof whatever is adduced in support of that supposition.

The fact that at the present day a proportion of the population of Vilnius still self-identifies as ethnically Polish suggests that there was no organised removal of persons self-identifying as such.

It is to be presumed that since the end of the Second World War the population of Vilnius has grown considerably through immigration, which must have come predominantly from other parts of Lithuania, and to a lesser extent from other parts of the Soviet Union, thereby accounting for the Russian minority. The Polish minority presumably consists of descendants of persons who self-identified as Polish and decided to retain that identification rather than adopt a Lithuanian one.

The assumption that a Lithuanian population of Vilnius was killed off by various disturbances during the 17th Century and replaced by ethnic Poles reamins unproved. It is most likely that any new population of the city came from the surrounding countryside, and hence consisted of Lithuanian and Belarusian-speaking peasants, who became polonised due to the fact that the dominatn culture of the towns was Polish.

The change of ethnic identity of urban populations was quite a common phenomenon in Eastern Europe. I have just finished reading a book about 19th-Century ethnic conflict in Prague, which was an example of that phenomenon. Since the dominant culture was German, most of the population of Prague, particularly the middle and upper classes, had adopted a German identity. In the 19th Century, with the rise of Czech nationalism, a large number of the inhabitants of Prague, particularly among the lower classes, adopted a Czech identity, a process that was reinforced by the immigration of Czech-speaking peasants from the Bohemian countryside.

It should be noted that the concept of "Lithuanian" has changed over time. Up to the 20th Century, the term "Lithuanian" denoted any inhabitant of the historical Grand-Duchy of Lithuania, regardless of the language spoken. The upper classes and urban population of the Grand-Duchy had become polonised, so the main language spoken in cities such as Kaunas and Vilnius, and even Minsk, was Polish. Nevertheless, a lot of the population was bilingual, and spoke Lithuanian or Belarusian or Ukrainian in addition to Polish.

The concept of "Lithuanian" as an ethnic rather than geographical identity, based on language, began to emerge in the 19th Century, with the appearance of a Lithuanian-speaking educated middle class. When an independent Lithuanian State was established in 1918, with Lithuanian as its official language, there was a strong motivation for bilingual persons who had previously identified as Polish for reasons of social prestige to change their identification as Lithuanbian.

There is no need to explain the development of a Lithuanian-speaking majority in Vilnius in terms of a forced removal of an ethnic Polish population and its replacement by ethnic Lithuanian immigrants. It is more a case of individuals changing their identification from Polish to Lithuanian.

A similar process may be seen in the re-emergence of a self-identified ethnic German minority in post-Communist Poland. That minority consists of descendants of some of the 1.1 million inhabitants of the German territories annexed in 1945 who were allowed to remain on the basis that they were "autochthons", that is an original Slavic population that had been germanised. Duriung the Communist period, when a German identity was suppressed, those people identified as Poles, but after the fall of Communism, some of them again adopted an ethnic German identity due to that fact that such an identity conferred certain benefits, such as as the right to migrate to Germany or to receive financial aid from the German Government.

The ethnic identity of the population of places like Vilnius has always been fluid and subject to change dependant on environmental factors. One should not let one's view of the demographic history of those places be distorted by nationalist ideologies.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby michael mills on 24 Sep 2012 01:15

Here is some information from the Wikipedia article on the ethnic hisotry of the Vilnius region:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_his ... of_Vilnius

Following the decline of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in late 18th century, the state had been divided among its neighbours in what is known as the partitions of Poland. Most of the lands that formerly constituted the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were annexed by the Russian Empire. While initially the lands around the city of Vilna (Vilnius or Wilno) had a certain local autonomy, with local nobility holding the same offices as prior to the partitions, after several secessionist revolts against the Russian Empire, the Imperial government started to pursue a policy of both political and cultural assimilation of the newly-acquired lands (Russification). Following the failed November Uprising all traces of former Polish-Lithuanian statehood (like the Third Statute of Lithuania and Congress Poland) started to be replaced with their Russian counterparts, from the currency and units of measurement, to offices of local administration. The failed January Uprising of 1864 further aggravated the situation, as the Russian authorities decided to pursue the policies of forcibly imposed Russification. The discrimination of local inhabitants included restrictions and outright bans on usage of Polish, Lithuanian (see Lithuanian press ban), Belorussian and Ukrainian (see Valuyev circular) languages.[1][2] This however did not stop the Polonization effort undertaken by the Polish patriotic leadership of the Vilna educational district even within the Russian Empire.[3][4]

Despite that, the pre-19th century cultural and ethnic pattern of the area was largely preserved. In the process of the pre-19th century voluntary[5] Polonization, much of the local nobility, boyars and gentry of Ruthenian and Lithuanian nobility origins adopted Polish language and culture. This was also true to the representatives of the then-nascent class of bourgeoisie and the Catholic and Uniate clergy. At the same time, the lower strata of the society (notably the peasants) formed a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural mixture of Poles, Lithuanians, Jews and Ruthenians, as well as a small yet notable population of immigrants from all parts of Europe, from Italy to Scotland and from the Low Countries to Germany.

The data from different times shows the changes in languages. The Lithuanian speaking area was constantly on the decline, while Belarusian speaking area pro rata was on the increase. In the parishes to the southeast from Vilnius Belarusian positions as a language of junior generation started to strengthen at the end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century.[6] The 20th century marks a sudden increase of Polish speaking people and pro rata decrease of Belarusian speakers. Lithuanian speaking islands remained in Dzyatlava, Lasduny, Gervyaty etc.[7][8]

During the rule of the Russian tsars, the Lingua franca remained Polish as it had been in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. By the middle of 17th century most of the Lithuanian nobility had started to also speak Polish. With passing time and changing circumstances Lithuanian, Ruthenian and Polish nobility merged politically and started to consider themselves to be citizens of one common state. For example Józef Piłsudski‘s father and mother by paternal line belonged to respectively Samogitian descent Giniotai (sg. Giniotas; Polish Ginet) and Bilevičiai (sg. Bilevičius; Polish Billewicz< *Bilius) families.[9] The surname Piłsudski is of toponymic origin.

Polonization, furthered by the clergy and spreading from the estates and schools, was later also implemented by the Polish government. Many Lithuanian schools were closed. In 1938, the Polish administration left only two Lithuanian primary schools and one gymnasium (the Gymnasium of Vytautas the Great) in the entire area.[10]


As that information shows, theuse of the Lithuanian language declined, due to the process of polonisation. Once an independent Lithuanian State was founded in 1918, the use of the Lithuanian language was promoted, and a lot of people who had self-identified as Polish must have changed back to a Lithuanian identity.

Here is some more information from the Wikipedia article on the Polish minority in Lithuania:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_min ... _Lithuania

People of Polish ethnicity have lived in Lithuania for many centuries. Many Poles in Lithuania today are the descendants of Polonized Lithuanians or Ruthenians.[17] Historically, the number of Poles in modern Lithuanian territory has varied during different periods.[citation needed] Polish culture began to influence the Grand Duchy of Lithuania around the time of the Union of Lublin (16th century), and during the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (1569–1795) much of the Lithuanian nobility was Polonized and joined the Polish-Lithuanian szlachta class. Reformation gave another impetus to the spread of the Polish language, as the Bible and other religious texts were translated from Latin to Polish. In 1697 Polish replaced Ruthenian as a chancellery language. In the 19th century peasants of Polish nationality started to appear in Lithuania, mostly by Polonization of Lithuanian peasants[18] in Dzūkija and to a lesser degree in Aukštaitija.


As the information shows, the Polish population in Lithuania consists to a large extent of descendants of polonised Lithuanians. It was quite easy for polonised Lithuanians to change thier identity back to Lithuanian once an independent Lithuanian State was founded.

Thus, it is not necessary to explain the changing ethnic identity of the population of Vilnius in terms of a violent expulsion of Poles, although it is true that a large number of persons self-identifying as Polish voluntarily left Lithuania for Poland after the Second World War. It was more a case of the Soviet Government allowing people to move from Soviet Lithuania to Poland, rather than a case of expelling them, and it appears that only about half of those who registered to emove were actually allowed to do so.

Again, Polish chauvinist historiography should not be allowed to muddy the waters.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby henryk on 24 Sep 2012 21:15

Yes, many of the Poles in Lithuanian were Polonized Lithuanians. But after generations of speaking Polish, with a Polish culture they considered themselves Polish. Just as hundreds of thousands of Germans with Polish or Germanized Polish names, and cannot speak Polish, consider themselves German.
I can not believe that, particularly in rural areas, there was any significant number of bilinguals. This happens only when, in a population, there is a large number of people speaking the minority language, and the bilinguals will be mainly of the minority.
When I visited Vilnius in 2005, I met a man who spoke Polish with a Lithuanian accent. He said he was the only one of his family remaining. The others, and his Polish neighbours, were forcibly removed.
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Hence, in the interwar period, the Polish minority was persecuted by the administration of independent Lithuania.[25] The Lithuanian census of 1923 showed that Poles constituted 65,600 Lithuania inhabitants (3.2% of total population).[26] In interwar Lithuania, people declaring Polish ethnicity were officially described as Polonized Lithuanians who merely needed to be re-Lithuanized, Polish-owned land was confistacted, and Polish religious services, schools, publications, and voting rights were restricted.[27]

During the WWII expulsions and shortly after the war, the Soviet Union, during its struggle to establish the People's Republic of Poland, forcibly resettled many Poles, who lived in the Lithuanian SSR and were seen as enemies of the state, into Siberia. After the war, in 1945-1948, the Soviet Union allowed 197,000 Poles to leave to Poland; in 1956-1959, another 46,600 were able to leave.[28][29] In the 1950s the remaining Polish minority was a target of several attempted campaigns of Lithuanization by the Communist Party of Lithuania, which tried to ban any teaching in the Polish language; those attempts, however, were vetoed by Moscow, which saw them as too nationalistic.[30] The Soviet census of 1959 showed 230,100 Poles concentrated in the Vilnius region (8.5% of the Lithuanian SSR's population).[31] The Polish minority increased in size, but more slowly than other ethnic groups in Lithuania; the last Soviet census of 1989 showed 258,000 Poles (7.0% of the Lithuanian SSR's population).[31] The Polish minority, subject in the past to massive, often voluntary [32] Russification and Sovietization, and recently to mostly voluntary processes of Lithuanization, shows many and increasing signs of assimilation with Lithuanians.[31] However, some young Poles don't speak Lithuanian fluently, so they prefer to study in Poland or in the Polish language University of Białystok branch in Vilnius, rather than in Lithuanian universities.[citation needed]

A person speaking Polish, with ancestors speaking Polish for generations, is Polish, Polanized Lithuanian or not. By your definition there are no Australians in Australia, nor Canadians in Canada.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby michael mills on 24 Sep 2012 23:02

Individuals can change their ethnic identity.

Lithuanians can become Poles by adopting the Polish language and culture. They can change back into Lithuanians by re-adopting Lithuanian language and culture.

The people living in the Vilnius area had originally spoken Lithuanian dialects. After the unification of Lithuania with Poland in 1569, many of them adopted Polish language and culture, which at that time represented a higher level of civilisation. A book by Timothy Snyder which I have read, "The Reconstruction of Nations : Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999", documents the increasing use of the Polish language in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine in the 16th and 17th Centuries at the expense of the native languages.

Once an independent Lithuania was re-established in 1918, with Lithuanian as its official language, many people who had identified as Poles re-identified as Lithuanian. In Eastern Europe, religious adherence has always been a more important marker of ethnic identity than language, given the high rate of bilingualism; thus, the essential difference between Pole and Ukrainian has always been the confessional one of Catholic versus Orthodox or Uniate.

Since there was no religious divide between Poles and Lithuanians, both being Catholic, there was little barrier to individuals crossing from one group to the other. The growth of the Lithuanian population in the city of Vilnius and the surrounding area, and the corresponding decline in the population identifying as Polish, is to a large extent a result of individuals changing their ethnic identity. There is no need to explain it in terms of massive deportations and transfers of population, although such did occur.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby henryk on 25 Sep 2012 18:59

michael mills wrote:Individuals can change their ethnic identity.

Lithuanians can become Poles by adopting the Polish language and culture. They can change back into Lithuanians by re-adopting Lithuanian language and culture.

The people living in the Vilnius area had originally spoken Lithuanian dialects. After the unification of Lithuania with Poland in 1569, many of them adopted Polish language and culture, which at that time represented a higher level of civilisation. A book by Timothy Snyder which I have read, "The Reconstruction of Nations : Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999", documents the increasing use of the Polish language in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine in the 16th and 17th Centuries at the expense of the native languages.

Once an independent Lithuania was re-established in 1918, with Lithuanian as its official language, many people who had identified as Poles re-identified as Lithuanian. In Eastern Europe, religious adherence has always been a more important marker of ethnic identity than language, given the high rate of bilingualism; thus, the essential difference between Pole and Ukrainian has always been the confessional one of Catholic versus Orthodox or Uniate.

Since there was no religious divide between Poles and Lithuanians, both being Catholic, there was little barrier to individuals crossing from one group to the other. The growth of the Lithuanian population in the city of Vilnius and the surrounding area, and the corresponding decline in the population identifying as Polish, is to a large extent a result of individuals changing their ethnic identity. There is no need to explain it in terms of massive deportations and transfers of population, although such did occur.

It is unreasonable to assume people speaking Polish for generations will instantly decide to switch their culture, their identity. " high rate of bilingualism" prove it. Based on the large number of people removed from Vilnius, the increase in Lithuanians is more reasonably explained by a large inflow of Lithuanians.

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Re: Pilsudski, Poland, and the Central European Union

Postby Lokanski on 02 Oct 2012 21:32

The Miedzymorze concept was an unfortunate idea, focused on fighting Russia which historically was not as oppressive or dangerous as Germany. Furthermore it focused Polish attention to areas where Poles were largely a minority in lands that were underdeveloped and without much value to the Polish state itself. A better option was to pursue a defensive alliance with Czechs against German ambitions and seek accommodation with Russia.

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