Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius
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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius
Amusement is on my side...funny enough how quickly you drop the mask
Funnily neither wendisch tribes nor the Kaschubians were anything being 'Poles'...and short periodes of indirect control from some polish noblemen does not create any "polish cities"...as we can see that there was, until 1945, no polish influence in their development at all ...nor a "polish Population" or anything polish chauvinist "fairy tailers" tried to create to justifiy their policy in those occupied territories...
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Funnily neither wendisch tribes nor the Kaschubians were anything being 'Poles'...and short periodes of indirect control from some polish noblemen does not create any "polish cities"...as we can see that there was, until 1945, no polish influence in their development at all ...nor a "polish Population" or anything polish chauvinist "fairy tailers" tried to create to justifiy their policy in those occupied territories...
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What mask?you drop the mask
Actually most Kashubians did and do identify strongly with Poles, and one of their main political thinkers Hieronim Derdowski wrote "There is no Cassubia without Poland, and no Poland without Cassubia" (Nie ma Kaszeb bez Polski a bez Kaszeb Polski")Funnily neither wendisch tribes nor the Kaschubians were anything being 'Poles'...o
Actually I wouldn't call whole centuries "short"nd short periodes of indirect control from some polish noblemen does not create any "polish cities"...as w
Of course, no Ostrow Tumski in Wroclaw, no Piast Mauzoleum in Legnica You have very limited knowledge, until 1945, no polish influence in their development at all
So the Polish House in Wroclaw which German mob burned down after WW1 was made by ghosts?.nor a "polish Population"
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The words of an emmigrant could generalize the fate of the Kaschubians towards the polonization?
Schlesien had nothing to do with Poland for just about 600 Years Maybe I dig out Otto I. to claim that the northern half of Italy is german
I remember it were polish insurgents that try to occupy Schlesien after WW1
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Schlesien had nothing to do with Poland for just about 600 Years Maybe I dig out Otto I. to claim that the northern half of Italy is german
I remember it were polish insurgents that try to occupy Schlesien after WW1
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You will find many such statements in Kashub writings. Generally they were very supportive of Poles and Poland.The words of an emmigrant could generalize the fate of the Kaschubians towards the polonization?
It's Silesia in English. And the Polish population remained in contact with its motherland. Btw are you claiming Opole had no connection to Poland for 600 years?Schlesien had nothing to do with Poland for just about 600 Years
How can one occupy his own land? Or are you claiming Poles dropped into Silesia on parachutes?I remember it were polish insurgents that try to occupy Schlesien after WW1
Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius
Guys, it's Vilna 1920s thread, not Poland/Germany 1945 thread. Besides, keep your voice down both of you please, let's stay civil and civilised shall we?
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Funnily the "polish population" in Schlesen in 20st century consisted mostly of immegrants that came into those territories with the industrial revolution, just seeking work they found in Germany (similar to the Ruhrgebiet, but none of these Poles ever called the Ruhrpott 'urpolnisch' ).And the Polish population remained in contact with its motherland
No mystery that troops& weapons from the 2nd republic infiltrated the borders, together with diversants, saboteurs and progandists...Or are you claiming Poles dropped into Silesia on parachutes?
ANd even that did not help to seize those so called "polish territories", even as French government and military administration directly supported the polish plans to annex as much german territory as possible, as long as germany was weaked by the outcomes of WW1
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Halibutt wrote:Guys, it's Vilna 1920s thread, not Poland/Germany 1945 thread. Besides, keep your voice down both of you please, let's stay civil and civilised shall we?
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Tell that your funny landsmann
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Really? Must have been Polish spies that inflitrated Prussian government and gave statitiscs saying hat 61,1% of population in 1829 was Polish in Upper Silesia(official Prussian numbers). Were they emmigrants from the future(1829 is still before industral revolution).Funnily the "polish population" in Schlesen in 20st century consisted mostly of immegrants that came into those territories with the industrial revolution,
Not to mention German maps:No mystery that troops& weapons from the 2nd republic infiltrated the borders, together with diversants, saboteurs and progandists...
http://web.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lec ... 11pic7.jpg
Were those voters for Poland dropped on parachute as well ?
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There was no administrational territory called "Oberschlesien" till 1919
For example the population in the Provinz Oppeln just doubled in the short timeframe between 1819 and 1871...and the beginning of the industrialisation in in Schlesien were the 1840s
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For example the population in the Provinz Oppeln just doubled in the short timeframe between 1819 and 1871...and the beginning of the industrialisation in in Schlesien were the 1840s
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61,1% of population in 1829 was Polish in Upper Silesia. They certainly weren't visitors from the future..and the beginning of the industrialisation in in Schlesien were the 1840
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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius
Any source for this claim? :roll:
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Mapy narodowościowe Górnego Śląska od połowy XIX wieku do II Wojny Światowej Dorota Borowiecz Wroclaw University.
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And her source is?
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P.Weber "Die Polen in Oberschlessien. Eine statische Untersuchung" Berlin 1914.And her source is?
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Ha....and she claims which page of Weber should contain these numbers?
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