Sherman Tank Losses

[Delta Tank]

RichTO90,

Of those Armored Force losses were:
Total Battle Casualties - 6827
Total Deaths - 1,581
Total KIA - 1,407
DOW - 167
Other deaths - 7
Captured, returned to military control - 414
WIA, not died - 4,832

Rich when are you going to post your book of facts on Normandy? Share the wealth!

I noticed that only 7 guys died from other than battle casualties. That seems awful low, since I bet when I was in the Armor Corps during the 80's and 90's that at least 7 guys died every year from accidents! Tanks are not user friendly! Or am I reading your table wrong?

Mike

[RichTO90]

Rich when are you going to post your book of facts on Normandy? Share the wealth!

When I become independently wealthy?

I noticed that only 7 guys died from other than battle casualties. That seems awful low, since I bet when I was in the Armor Corps during the 80's and 90's that at least 7 guys died every year from accidents! Tanks are not user friendly! Or am I reading your table wrong?

Mike

Those are all 'battle' deaths, so they are those who died of injuries in battle, but not neccessarily due to hostile action. Non-battle deaths are different and relate to those who died of illness, disease, suicides, murders, or from injuries suffered in accidents not related to combat.

[RichTO90]

Also as far as tanks losses, Now that you have clarified your post on the date issue. It may be that Tucker could be including light tank losses too and a few other models, not M4's( Stuarts,M24's, M26's etc). He may even be including turreted TD's(M10's, M18's,M36's). Of course that goes off into the "Is it a Tank/SP debate?". But light tanks are tanks.

Chris

As I said, good call, I forgot the light tanks and was lazy, I used some old and out of date notes. The figures from the SHAEF AFV&W Section, which may be considered definitive, are for all write offs to vehicles issued to US forces in the ETO from 6 June 1944 to 9 May 1945 (6th AG from 20 November). The total given for all tanks is 6,274 and for SP guns is 1,414. But, note that the tank total does not match the sum of the individual types given; the difference probably being those lost by Seventh Army 15 August-20 November 1944.

M4 Medium Tank (75mm and 76mm) - 4,367 (includes 2 M26, although I can only account for 1)
M4 Medium Tank (105mm) - 174
M3/M5/M24 Light Tank - 1,507
Total tanks = 6,048
(Seventh Army known M4 Medium Tank losses 15 August-25 November were reported as 101 75mm and 76mm and 2 105mm)
Unaccounted for = 123

M8 75mm HMC - 226
M7 105mm HMC - 240
M10 3-in GMC - 574
M18 76mm GMC - 221
M36 90mm GMC - 153
Total SP = 1,414

[ChristopherPerrien]

When I become independently wealthy?

Rich, you have my word, if I become independantly(spell check be damned,because it sounds better) wealthy before you do, I will see your book(s!) published. Past that, I will leave my more incomprehensible speaking till tomorrow,,,,,,,,,, when I haven't been drinking so much Sham-pag-nee. Good posts though, appreciate the work/time.

Chris


ORRRRRRRRRRR!

Published the thing yourself, on the net, on your own site, sell Icopies to fools like us at $10-20 copy. Pure profit (minus admin costs and the taxman), and no middleman publisher paying you a dollar a copy royalty. Musicians are doing this with their "art" already. Before the "net", many rappers sold their "stuff" out of car-trunks before they ever got a "deal". Then they got so much dough, they died from partying, R-I-P, E-Z-E.

Granted I like reading books, way more than computer screens, I am old guy, but it is possible, if you generate a few sales and enough "buzz", publishers may come looking for you,instead of vice versa, to put your books in print.

I'll get back on topic tommorrow.

Chris

[LWD]

From what I understand the "publish on demand" publishers are pretty friendly to low volume books. You do have to be careful however. Might be a good topic for the lounge.

[Michael Kenny]

The figures from the SHAEF AFV&W Section, which may be considered definitive, are for all write offs to vehicles issued to US forces in the ETO from 6 June 1944 to 9 May 1945 (6th AG from 20 November). The total given for all tanks is 6,274 and for SP guns is 1,414. But, note that the tank total does not match the sum of the individual types given; the difference probably being those lost by Seventh Army 15 August-20 November 1944.

M4 Medium Tank (75mm and 76mm) - 4,367 (includes 2 M26, although I can only account for 1)
M4 Medium Tank (105mm) - 174
M3/M5/M24 Light Tank - 1,507
Total tanks = 6,048
(Seventh Army known M4 Medium Tank losses 15 August-25 November were reported as 101 75mm and 76mm and 2 105mm)
Unaccounted for = 123

M8 75mm HMC - 226
M7 105mm HMC - 240
M10 3-in GMC - 574
M18 76mm GMC - 221
M36 90mm GMC - 153
Total SP = 1,414

Is there anywhere the M3 Medium losses are listed. Surely a good number were lost in Tunisia?