7th Medium Regiment RA & others!

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Re: 7th Medium Regiment RA & others!

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Post by David W » 21 Apr 2011, 11:17

Ta.

So essentially the same gun, & the same ammo then?

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Post by Urmel » 21 Apr 2011, 11:19

It's a semi-guess. I think I read somewhere that they were the type, but I would have to lie if I said I was 100% sure. But yes, pretty much the same gun and ammo.

What many people don't realise is the massive superiority of the Axis when it came to heavy artillery. In field artillery the Commonwealth outgunned Panzerarmee by a long shot (excuse the pun). But in heavy artillery they could not compete in 1941/42.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: 7th Medium Regiment RA & others!

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Post by Dili » 23 Apr 2011, 03:04

Concerning the 155mm M1917/18A3 Howitzer(USA) i have this:

100 in Middle East for UK late 41, 18 brought by Australia to Middle East in early 1941 to equip 2 Batteries.

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Post by David W » 23 Apr 2011, 08:45

I want to see how many we can place with which units & at what time. But I have to go to work now. I'll do it tonight, but I know that I will need a lot of help, because I have no where near 118!

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Post by Dili » 23 Apr 2011, 22:04

64 Medium Regiment RA(TA) had them. But it is the only i have in my list.

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Post by David W » 24 Apr 2011, 01:00

JBond (& other interested parties).

Sorry to back track, but I've just read Cedric's articles & the 155mm guns he refers to in D.A.K are all the 418(f) & 419(f)
& not the Schneider piece that I was originally asking about, that Jon S produced a photo of on the 2nd page of this thread. So I'm afraid that for David (doubting Thomas) Wormell, we are back to square one. ie no hard evidence of the Schneider gun supplied to Commonwealth units, being used by the Germans in N.A.
But I am still open to persuasion!

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Post by Urmel » 26 Apr 2011, 10:35

Cedric has changed his mind since he wrote the article. Feel free to email him for confirmation if you don't believe me. I am not going to share my private email conversations I had with him about it here.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by David W » 26 Apr 2011, 10:42

JBond.

It's not that I don't believe you! I hope I have not caused offence, it was never my intention, only to find the truth.

I did not realise that the articles by Cedric pre-dated this "new" information. That explains a lot.
I have not heard from Cedric much since we met up last srping, but I will try to speak with him on this matter.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Best wishes, David.

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Post by Urmel » 26 Apr 2011, 10:52

David

Seriously, no offense taken. You've got the info I can access without having to trawl through significant amount of paper again, and it is not a priority item for me at present.

I believe Cedric is under a deadline at the moment. Give him two weeks. :milwink:
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by David W » 26 Apr 2011, 11:05

Thanks & OK on both counts.

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Post by Dili » 26 Apr 2011, 19:23

Cedric says so in Crusader Project website comments
http://crusaderproject.wordpress.com/20 ... /#comments

CM
March 9, 2011 at 11:41 am

Hello,

yes I must confess my mistake. I found (and bought) a serie of private photos showing a “firing school” with these heavy guns supplemented by french army in North Africa.

The pictures shows the leader of Arko104 inspecting guns and troopers but no indications of which unit used it.

The pictures are taken probably in the winter 41-42 or spring 42, before Gazala battle of may 42.

So the presence of 155 C17 is confirmed in the afrikakorps

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Post by David W » 26 Apr 2011, 20:23

Does he (or anyone else) claim that the 155 C17 were used in "Anger" by the D.A.K, and not just fotr training?

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Post by Urmel » 27 Apr 2011, 10:08

Sure they were. What would be the point of having them otherwise? The army artillery orders for the counter offensive include them, for example.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by Dili » 27 Apr 2011, 23:49

Btw see the last post at Crusader Project. Many casualities in HKAA units. http://crusaderproject.wordpress.com/

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Post by David W » 28 Apr 2011, 00:06

Sure they were. What would be the point of having them otherwise?
Because obsolete or unsuitable equipment is often used for training purposes only.
But I accept your claim that they were in this case front line weapons.

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