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Post by nuyt » 20 Mar 2013, 10:17

forget about the wheels. Take a better look at the shield. Note that the weapon is lifted a bit due to the support hweel at the end of the trail. So the angle you are looking at is different. Note the slighlt bevels in the shield on the side. Then the weapon: the breech and the stuff around it looks very much like the 32pdr gun. It's defeinitely a dereivative if the 94mm/3.7inch AA gun.
Am not to sure though about the muzzle brake.

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 22 Mar 2013, 10:33

I re-read Ian Hogg's British and American Artillery of WW2 last night. There were only two 32 pdrs built, one with a conventional recoil system and one with a design by a Mr Stevens which was claimed to be more efficient. The 32 pdr that is/was in the Woolwich Muesum is the one equiped with Stevens recoil system. I have never seen a photo of the other prototype, could the gun in the photo posted by Sturm be the other 32 pdr as it is not the same gun in any other photos I know of the 32 pdr?
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Re: Id. british gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 22 Mar 2013, 12:24

Hi all,

It seems to be quite difficult to reach a definitive conclusion about the AT gun of 09 Mar 2013. :o

Any idea about the exact model of the naval gun of my second image posted on 12 Mar 2013 ??
I have not yet been able to identify it.

On the other hand, here another image from http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Pages/home.aspx. Dated in 1919

Any idea? :?



Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Post by Sturm78 » 27 Mar 2013, 12:27

Thank you very much, nuyt

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Re: Id. british gun

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Post by verdenpark » 09 Apr 2013, 09:27

The second Naval gun could be either a 4.7" BL Mk.I/II or an early 4" such as the Mk.IV/V. Not sure. The disc makes me think 4".
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Post by Sturm78 » 16 Jun 2013, 21:56

Hi all,

Any idea about this gun? :?

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 17 Jun 2013, 10:04

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Any idea about this gun? :?

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Hi Sturm

Pure speculation, 18pdr MkIII. The gun and recoil system look similar to that of a 18 pdr MkIV but this gun was only ever mounted on the MkVI box trail or the MkV split trail.

The uniforms and how they are being worn indicate WW1 period not post war. The major has his crown on his cuffs, by the end of the war officer rank badges had been moved to the shoulder straps. The guns are "bulled up" typical of the British Army in peacetime, which suggest these are on a range in Britain.
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Post by verdenpark » 23 Jul 2013, 14:19

I thought the 18pdr. had the recuperator above the barrel in an armoured sleeve. Or is that a later model?
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Post by nuyt » 23 Jul 2013, 23:09

I think it is the Ehrhardt 15pdr

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Post by gwulo » 28 Jul 2013, 19:10

Please can anyone identify the gun in this photo: http://gwulo.com/node/16733 ?

We think it was mounted in one of the batteries on Stonecutters Island, and that the photo was taken in the 1920s.

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 04 Aug 2013, 01:22

verdenpark wrote:I thought the 18pdr. had the recuperator above the barrel in an armoured sleeve. Or is that a later model?
Hi verdenpark

The 18 pdr MkI and MkII had the spring recuperator mounted above the barrel and were mounted on pole carriages. The MkIV gun had its hydro-pneumatic recuperator mounted below the barrel, it was mounted on either the MkIII or MkIV carriage which were box trail design or the MkV which was a split trail.
nuyt wrote:I think it is the Ehrhardt 15pdr
Hi Nuyt

On second looking I think you are correct it is a 15pdr MkI*. I always think of the 15 pdr as delivered without its shield and forget about the MKI* modifications.
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Re: Id. british gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 05 Aug 2013, 16:39

Thank you for your help, nuyt and Clive.

Here another image from EBay. As usual, it is imposible for me to differenciate between 5.5in howitzer and 4.5in gun

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Re: Id. british gun

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 06 Aug 2013, 19:55

Hi Sturm

I think the regiment is the 80 (Scottish Horse) Medium Regiment RA(TA), they are wearing Atholl Bonnets. Only two yeomany regiments wore the Atholl Bonnet, the Scottish Horse and Lovat Scouts.

Lovat Scouts converted to infantry became a highly trained ski and mountain infantry battalion.

The Scottish Horse converted from cavalry to artillery and was duplicated (made into two regiments) in 1940. Both regiments continued to wear their distintive headdress. 79 (Scottish Horse) Medium Regiment RA(TA) served in the UK and North West Europe. 80 (Scottish Horse) Medium Regiment RA(TA) served in the UK until 1943 when it was transfered to North Africa and later Italy. By the uniform (or lack of) they appear to be in either North Africa or Italy in the summer.

I have checked http://www.ra39-45.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/med/page43.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_H ... E2.80.9345, http://nigelef.tripod.com/regtsumm.htm#medregt and Leo Niehorster 's site but cannot find out if it was a mixed 4.5 gun and 5.5 howitzer regiment or a all 5.5 regiment. So no real help with the gun. But what a great find of the Scottish Horse in action wearing the Atholl Bonnet.
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Re: Id. british gun

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 06 Aug 2013, 19:57

I have just found this picture. It states it is a gunner from the Scottish Horse setting the fuse of a 4.5 inch gun in 1943. Still none the wiser with Sturm's photo but it appears that 80 Regiment was a mixed 4.5 inch and 5.5 inch unit.
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