"Desert rats" Emblem

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"Desert rats" Emblem

Postby Zabs82 » 22 Jul 2009 12:29

Hi.

During reading R. Neillands " Eight Army" i found this information about 7th Armoured Div. logo.

"Finally, on 16 II 1940, the Mobile Division became the 7th Armoured Division. To mark the event the Division received a new divisional emblem, depicting a leaping desert rodent, the jerboa or desrt rat. The original Moboile Division emblem was a plain white circle on a red background, bur Mrs Creagh, having inspected a jerboa closely in Cairo Zoo, produced a design of a desert rat that met with general approval from the divisional officers and man, and her outline design was developed into famous jerboa emblem by Trooper Ken Hill of the 50 RTR"

Page 13.

While a friend of my said otherness story about 7th ArmoredDiv emblem.

"7th ArmDiv emblem was painted by Mrs. Creagh and Mrs. Peyton ( wife one division staff officers). Lieutenant Peter Horden used this motive and spread it into old division logo.

This is story from "7th Armoured Division - The Desert Rats" (G. Forty).


So, where is the truth :?:

What is the true story of arising 7th Armoured Div emblem :?:

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Re: "Desert rats" Emblem

Postby The_Enigma » 27 Jul 2009 23:44

While no sources are cited the 'Brief History Of The British 7th Armoured Division' [url=http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/history.htm website] states

On 16th February 1940, the Mobile Division became the 7th Armoured Division and at about the same time the famous Jerboa Divisional Sign appeared. Following a visit to Cairo Zoo the wife of General Creagh (the Divisional commander) produced a design of desert rat (pictured below) which was approved by the officers and men of the Division and this was then drawn up by Trooper Ken Hill of RTR.

The men took to the Jerboa and adopted the nick-name of "The Desert Rats".


If thats any help? (probably not :P )

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Re: "Desert rats" Emblem

Postby Ironmachine » 28 Aug 2009 18:19

For what is worth, Spearhead's 7th Armoured Division - The 'Desert Rats' by George Forty supports the Mrs. Creagh-Peyton-Hordern version:
The Red Rat
7th Armoured's initial emblem was inherited from the Mobile Division, being a plain white circle on a scarlet ground. However, soon after Gen O'Moore Creagh took command, he decided that the circle should contain some symbol that was truly representative of the division's desert background. He chose the Greater Egyptian Jerboa (Jaculus Orientalis), a tough little rodent that lived in the Arabian desert. [...] The next problem was to find a live one to copy, but after much searching one was located in Cairo Zoo and the first "Desert Rat Rampart" was drawn on a sheet of hotel notepaper by Mrs Creagh and Mrs Peyton (wife of the GS03). This was transferred in flaming scarlet to the white circle on the divisional commander's flag by Peter Hordern (then serving as a liaison officer at Div HQ) and thence onto every vehicle and every topee flash.


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