Hallo!
1/12-1939, the Norwegian airforce at Sola outside Stavanger, got a message which said that a unknown warship and a submarine had entered a fjord just North of the town.
The weather was really bad, but after a while, one of the Norwegian planes spotted 2 British destroyers and a submarine in "Mastrafjorden". Norwegian navy vessels were sent into the fjord shortly afterwards. One of the British officers claimed they had the right to enter Norwegian waters for protection, as they were rescuing another ship......
Next day, the British vessels were escorted to Rosenberg Shipyard, where the submarine was repaired.
(Rudder damage?)
Who knows more about this submarine?
Looking for name, and why it was damaged.
Names of the 2 destroyers would also be interesting.......
Regards
Erik
British sub damaged in 1939
The link below gives details of HMS Inglefield's captain at the time
http://www.mazro.freeserve.co.uk/14thbart.htm
I have a feeling the other destroyer could be HMS Ivanhoe!!
Andy
http://www.mazro.freeserve.co.uk/14thbart.htm
I have a feeling the other destroyer could be HMS Ivanhoe!!
Andy
Here is my version of the incident......
It differs a bit from the history at uboat.net though......
It differs a bit from the history at uboat.net though......
27.11.1939 On patrol off the Skaw, the British submarine HMS Triad became disabled due to fracture of her after hydroplane shaft.
The British destroyers HMS Inglefield, and HMS Maori were sent to assist the sub.
1/12-39, the Norwegian airforce at Sola outside Stavanger, got a message which said that a unknown warship towing a submarine had entered Skudesnesfjorden, just North of Stavanger.
A MF 11 seaplane from "Marinens flyvevåpen" started searching for the "visitors"
The weather was really bad, but after a while, Leutnant Bjørn Fraser spotted 2 British destroyers and a submarine in Mastrafjorden.
Norwegian navy vessels were sent into the fjord shortly afterwards. One of the British officers claimed they had the right to enter Norwegian waters for protection, as they were rescuing another ship......
The Norwgian Navy decided to give them 48 hours to repair the submarine at Rosenberg Mek. verksted in Stavanger.
The crew of HMS Triad soon realized that they couldn`t repair it completely in Norway, so again HMS Inglefield
took the sub under tow. They arrived in Rosyth 4-12-39
12 days later, Triad went out for another patrol.
Interesting posts - and the TRIAD incident was news to me. The claim by 'a British officer' that they 'had a right' to escort a damaged navy ship into neutral waters seems highly dubious in maritime law. To the territorial waters edge - yes, but into Norwegian waters...hmmm...sounds like the CO of MAORI had a quiet word to Whitehall and got told - 'bluff it man, bluff it...'. The story puts a new twist to the old ALTMARK-saga doesn't it? Kapitän Dau of the ALTMARK also claimed 'engine problems'. For the Norwegians - in both cases, they were poorly equipped to challenge their neutrality and had to accept the old adage 'that might is right'.
Hi Eric
Recieved a reply from the Royal Navy Submarine Museum (Archives Section), in regards to my query over HMS Triad's episode in Norwegian waters.
"During a Forces 8 gale, bolts sheared from the after hydroplanes which meant that they hung vertically and jammed in posistion.Triad could make no headway and drifted. She was eventually towed into Stavanger by the destroyers Inglefield & Maori. The Norwegians made up new bolts and resolved the problem within the 48hrs hours allowed. Triad was then escorted out od the harbour by a Norwegian destroyer(?), the captian of which was sympathetic to the British."
Hope this helps.
Any idea what the Norwegian destroyer was called and who was this sympathetic captain?
Andy
Recieved a reply from the Royal Navy Submarine Museum (Archives Section), in regards to my query over HMS Triad's episode in Norwegian waters.
"During a Forces 8 gale, bolts sheared from the after hydroplanes which meant that they hung vertically and jammed in posistion.Triad could make no headway and drifted. She was eventually towed into Stavanger by the destroyers Inglefield & Maori. The Norwegians made up new bolts and resolved the problem within the 48hrs hours allowed. Triad was then escorted out od the harbour by a Norwegian destroyer(?), the captian of which was sympathetic to the British."
Hope this helps.
Any idea what the Norwegian destroyer was called and who was this sympathetic captain?
Andy
Triad incident
Me too, Eric - with Andy, are holding our breaths for the name of the Norwegian 'torpedoboat' and it's captain - who possibly broke the laws of neutrality.....? In May 1945 anything was of course forgiven - but this IS an important legal bone - for the aftermath to fight about.
Sorry Guys!
I had totally forgot this!!!
It was called "Torpedojager" which means Torpedo-destroyer.....
With it`s depl. of 735 tonnes, it was smaller than a regular destroyer.
The name of the captain on "Æger" was Bruun.
(I`ll try to find more on him)
This story seems to have more interesting aspects:
Early in the morning 9/4-40, Captain Bruun got a radio message that a huge German warship had been sunk near Oslo (Blücher).
He decided to capture the only German freighter in Stavanger this morning, the "Roda". The captain of "Roda" knew that paratroopers would arrive at the airport any moment, so he tried his best to keep the ship in the area. They came up with every kind of excuses, like stuck anchor, destroyed radio, language problems+++.
An hour later, Bruun again got a message that a German merchant wes sunk outside Kristiansand. It was prooved that this ship was carrying weapons. ("Rio de Janiero").
Bruun now gave the German crew signal to leave the ship, which they did.
Bruun then Fired his guns and sunk the 6000 tonnes freighter inside the harbour! They then decided to leave the harbour to look for other ships.
Only a few minutes later, the attack on Stavanger started, and 6 Ju88`s bombed the "Æger". It was heavily damaged and runned onshore north of the city.
On the 12 April Hans Bartels (Later famous, KC winner) arrived with his ship "M1". They managed to salvage 3 100mm Bofors guns from "Æger", among with Norwegian military maps and code-books. (Bartels got his EK for this)
The Guns were later used to form the very first coastal battery in Stavanger, named "Marine Küsten-batterie 1/503 Stavanger"
And something completely different but forgotten......
Did you guys know that the British fleet caused the sinking of another another German ship, only a few Km`s from Altmark, only a few hours before????
Here`s the story:
On the 16/2-40, D/s Baldur from the Hamburg-company "Frigga" was on it`s way to Narvik for a load of ore.
They were about 5 Km`s west of the "Jössingfjord" when their propeller was jammed by a large net ( Placed by HMS Seal the day before to stop "Altmark")
At 13:30 a plane from Coastal command (C.W.Mc Neill) spotted the stuck "Baldur" and radioed a message to the surface vessels that they had found the "Altmark"(Baldur looked allmost the same).
The cruiser "Arethusa" which was nearby went to check the message.
When the captain of Baldur saw the approaching cruiser, he decided to scuttle his ship! The entire crew was taken as prisoners by the HMS Arethusa. ( Later this day, they found Altmark)
Erik E
I had totally forgot this!!!
The only "major" Norwegian war-ship in Stavanger was the "Æger" (Aeger)Any idea what the Norwegian destroyer was called and who was this sympathetic captain?
It was called "Torpedojager" which means Torpedo-destroyer.....
With it`s depl. of 735 tonnes, it was smaller than a regular destroyer.
The name of the captain on "Æger" was Bruun.
(I`ll try to find more on him)
This story seems to have more interesting aspects:
Early in the morning 9/4-40, Captain Bruun got a radio message that a huge German warship had been sunk near Oslo (Blücher).
He decided to capture the only German freighter in Stavanger this morning, the "Roda". The captain of "Roda" knew that paratroopers would arrive at the airport any moment, so he tried his best to keep the ship in the area. They came up with every kind of excuses, like stuck anchor, destroyed radio, language problems+++.
An hour later, Bruun again got a message that a German merchant wes sunk outside Kristiansand. It was prooved that this ship was carrying weapons. ("Rio de Janiero").
Bruun now gave the German crew signal to leave the ship, which they did.
Bruun then Fired his guns and sunk the 6000 tonnes freighter inside the harbour! They then decided to leave the harbour to look for other ships.
Only a few minutes later, the attack on Stavanger started, and 6 Ju88`s bombed the "Æger". It was heavily damaged and runned onshore north of the city.
On the 12 April Hans Bartels (Later famous, KC winner) arrived with his ship "M1". They managed to salvage 3 100mm Bofors guns from "Æger", among with Norwegian military maps and code-books. (Bartels got his EK for this)
The Guns were later used to form the very first coastal battery in Stavanger, named "Marine Küsten-batterie 1/503 Stavanger"
And something completely different but forgotten......
Did you guys know that the British fleet caused the sinking of another another German ship, only a few Km`s from Altmark, only a few hours before????
Here`s the story:
On the 16/2-40, D/s Baldur from the Hamburg-company "Frigga" was on it`s way to Narvik for a load of ore.
They were about 5 Km`s west of the "Jössingfjord" when their propeller was jammed by a large net ( Placed by HMS Seal the day before to stop "Altmark")
At 13:30 a plane from Coastal command (C.W.Mc Neill) spotted the stuck "Baldur" and radioed a message to the surface vessels that they had found the "Altmark"(Baldur looked allmost the same).
The cruiser "Arethusa" which was nearby went to check the message.
When the captain of Baldur saw the approaching cruiser, he decided to scuttle his ship! The entire crew was taken as prisoners by the HMS Arethusa. ( Later this day, they found Altmark)
Erik E
Some info on the Æger:
Built by "Marinens hovedverft" in Horten, Norway as Construction number 122.
Launced: 25/8-1936
Weight: 735 Tonnes
Engine: 2 x De Laval steamturbines, giving 12500 Hp
Armnament:
3 x 100mm Bofors L/40
2 x 40mm Bofors
4 x 53cm torpedotubes
Built by "Marinens hovedverft" in Horten, Norway as Construction number 122.
Launced: 25/8-1936
Weight: 735 Tonnes
Engine: 2 x De Laval steamturbines, giving 12500 Hp
Armnament:
3 x 100mm Bofors L/40
2 x 40mm Bofors
4 x 53cm torpedotubes
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) but I did not think it was legal for the damaged vessesl to be "escorted".