David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Darth Vader
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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by Darth Vader » 03 Jul 2013, 13:00

It has not been shut down because there is the potential for a good discussion, but this is a research forum that requires substantive sources. You have not provided much, even that book you have provided, have you read some of the peer reviews? Some of the sources are 2nd and 3rd hand.
As a specialist in British political history of the first half of the 20th century, Richard Griffiths is highly likely to be better informed on this subject than anyone else in this thread. It should be noted that during his visit to Nazi Germany, before his meeting with Adolf Hitler, David Lloyd George had suggested to German Ambassador Joachim Von Ribbentrop that "if you could get Winston into your new church, it would be worthwhile."
His use of the word "church" was not in reference to that of Catholicism or Protestantism.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pvq1 ... CC8Q6AEwAA
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by Ironmachine » 03 Jul 2013, 14:37

Darth Vader wrote:As a specialist in British political history of the first half of the 20th century, Richard Griffiths is highly likely to be better informed on this subject than anyone else in this thread
He may be, but still he can make wrong judgments in his "area of expertise" for a number of reasons (error, bias...). You are just using the "argumentum ad auctoritatem" as proof, and this is not what was required of you.


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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by Terry Duncan » 04 Jul 2013, 00:03

You are obliged here to answer questions people put to you and not to ignore them Sid asked you some questions a few days ago now, can you please try to answer them?
"Please, give us some sourced substantive evidence that Lloyd George was an admirer of Nazi ideology. Was it the racial theory? Was it the drive for lebensraum? Was it the one-part-state? Was it the Fuhrer Prinzip? Was it the militarization? Was it the corporatism? Strength Through Joy? Mass youth movements? Etc., etc."

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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by David Thompson » 04 Jul 2013, 01:57

An unresponsive and uninformative post from Darth Vader was removed pursuant to the warning posted at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9#p1803669.

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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by Heironymous » 08 Jan 2016, 22:00

Can I ask a question relating to this subject? Is there any evidence to the suggestion that David Lloyd George harboured hopes of being installed as a puppet of a victorious Nazi dictatorship in Great Britain as head of the Welsh principality?

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Re: David Lloyd George's pro-Nazi views

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 09 Jan 2016, 18:00

Nope.

Having a generally favourable opinion of Hitler in the mid 1930s, like the ageing Lloyd George, was quite widespread during and after the Great Depression and was generally considered no more disreputable than having some favourable opinions of Putin now, as does Nigel Farage. Indeed, one of Jeremy Corbyn's advisers was photographed sharing a stage with Putin only a few months ago!

It only becomes completely disreputable if one continues to have inclinations towards either after they are at war with ones own countrry or engaged in genocide. Putin is still on the correct side of this line. The Hitler of the 1940s wasn't. Lloyd George never crossed the line, either.

Cheers,

Sid.

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