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Was Neville Chamberlain really a weak and terrible leader?

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Robert Self is the author of Neville Chamberlain: A Biography, and editor of The Neville Chamberlain Diary Letters: The Downing Street Years, 1934-1940.
Seventy-five years after the Munich Agreement signed with Hitler, the name of Neville Chamberlain, British prime minister at the time, is still synonymous with weakness and appeasement. Is this fair, asks historian Robert Self.

During his 21-hour filibuster denouncing President Barack Obama's healthcare law, popularly known as Obamacare, last week, Ted Cruz, the conservative Republican senator for Texas, claimed that Neville Chamberlain had once told the British people, "Accept the Nazis. Yes, they'll dominate the continent of Europe but that's not our problem."

Admittedly Cruz's speech was notable more for its near record-breaking length than its historical understanding, but this derogatory reference reflects the continuing potency of a well-established conventional wisdom assiduously propagated by Chamberlain's detractors after his fall from the premiership in May 1940. As Churchill is once supposed to have quipped, "Poor Neville will come badly out of history. I know, I will write that history".

In his influential account The Gathering Storm, published in 1948, Churchill characterised Chamberlain as "an upright, competent, well meaning man" fatally handicapped by a deluded self-confidence which compounded an already debilitating lack of both vision and diplomatic experience. For many years, this seductive version of events remained unchallenged and unchallengeable.

As Cruz's comments illustrate, Churchill's caricature of the 1930s, painted in compelling monochromatic shades of black and white, good versus evil, courage in "standing up to Hitler" versus craven appeasement, continues to strike a responsive note even today.

The Munich agreement, which later came to symbolise the evils of appeasement, was signed 75 years ago, in the early hours of 30 September. At Munich, Britain and France acquiesced in the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia and the transfer of its Sudeten region to Germany in face of Hitler's increasingly bellicose threats of military action. Chamberlain's hopes that this humiliating sacrifice would satisfy Hitler's last major territorial demand and thus avert another catastrophic war were dashed within four months.

After this monumental failure of policy Chamberlain's name became an abusive synonym for vacillation, weakness, immoral great-power diplomacy and, above all, the craven appeasement of bullies - whatever the price in national honour. Despite his many achievements in domestic policy, therefore, ultimately Chamberlain's reputation remains indelibly stained by Munich and the failure of his very personal brand of diplomacy.

As he confessed in the Commons at the outbreak of war, "Everything I have worked for, everything that I have hoped for, everything that I have believed in during my public life, has crashed into ruins."

Posterity has judged him accordingly - to the detriment of any more balanced evaluation of the man and the problems he confronted during the late 1930s.

In retrospect, the depressing reality is that there was probably no right answer to the crucial problems confronting British policy makers at the time. By the mid-1930s Britain was defending a vast and vulnerable empire encompassing a quarter of the world's territory and population, with the dismally depleted military resources of a third-rate power.

Worse still, since 1934 the Cabinet had grimly recognised that it was "beyond the resources of this country to make proper provision in peace for defence of the British Empire against three major powers in three different theatres of war". Furthermore, the threat posed separately by Japan, Germany and Italy was compounded by the conviction that war with any one of them would inevitably provoke opportunistic "mad dog" acts by the others.

As the leader of a militarily weak and overstretched empire, such fears were crucial in shaping Chamberlain's strategy, but this meant steering a course within the relatively narrow parameters defined by a complex inter-related web of geo-strategic, military, economic, financial, industrial, intelligence and electoral constraints.

Despite interminable scholarly debate, no consensus has emerged - particularly about the degree of choice enjoyed by policy makers in the face of such threats and constraints.

Yet notwithstanding Chamberlain's personal predilection for negotiation, what is beyond question is that he perceived himself to be a prisoner of forces largely beyond his control. As he noted stoically in January 1938, "In the absence of any powerful ally, and until our armaments are completed, we must adjust our foreign policy to our circumstances, and even bear with patience and good humour actions which we should like to treat in a very different fashion."

His pragmatic response to this conundrum was a "double policy" of rearmament at a pace the economy could sustain, while simultaneously seeking better relations with the dictators in the belief that only by redressing Germany's legitimate grievances would it be possible to remove the military threat - or failing that, to expose Hitler as an insatiable megalomaniac bent on world domination. As Chamberlain told Lord Halifax, his foreign secretary, the underlying strategy was to hope for the best while preparing for the worst.

When seen from this perspective, Chamberlain faced a brutally simple choice at Munich. Was Britain prepared to threaten Germany with war on behalf of a state which it certainly could not save and which would probably never be resurrected in its existing form? There was the absolute certainty that any attempt to do so would provoke a ruinous and probably un-winnable war which would slaughter millions, bring in Japan and Italy, destroy the British Empire, squander its wealth and undermine its position as a Great Power.

When confronted by this unenviable dilemma, Chamberlain concluded that such an outcome would be far more disastrous for the empire, Europe and the long-term victory of good over evil than territorial concessions in the Sudetenland which Britain could not prevent and to which Germany had some ostensibly legitimate claim.

Despite the complete failure of his efforts to preserve peace, Chamberlain went to his grave in November 1940 confident that history would eventually vindicate his policy and rehabilitate his reputation.

Alas, this was his greatest miscalculation of all. "Poor Neville" did come badly out of history - and largely because Churchill wrote that history to ensure his own carefully crafted version of the 1930s would become the one indelibly etched upon the collective consciousness.

As Cruz's comments illustrate, the abiding popular image of Neville Chamberlain remains that of a naive tragicomic figure clutching a worthless piece of paper inscribed with the legend "Peace for our time".
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24300094

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Post by ljadw » 05 Dec 2013, 22:13

He was a very efficient and authoritarian PM,who commanded the unconditionnal support of the conservatives.Much more than any other PM,Winston included .
He was 68 when he became PM and retired at 71;Winston started at the age of 65 and retired at 70.


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Post by aghart » 09 Dec 2013, 23:52

All the time he was supposedly bowing down to Hitler his government was embarking on a massive rearmament programme. It was his government that put the air defence of the UK as it's main priority. That decision saved Great Britain. He and his government were playing for time when dealing with Hitler. When the time came his government declared war. He was unfairly treated by history and by those armchair generals who have that most magnificent aid, "hindsight"

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Post by pugsville » 10 Dec 2013, 04:12

He was naive and sucked in by Hitler by some extent, but the rearmament was his initiative and a sign that he didn't totally trust hitler but took good measures to cope with things if his policy of appeasement failed. He took over personally the important foreign affairs, and did not really seek advice or input, he was really equipped in very success in these intervention sin foreign affairs.

Yes generally not given any credit for his rearmament, and his prudent measures as a backup if appeasement failed.

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Post by sunbury2 » 10 Dec 2013, 04:23

Chamberlain died in December 1940 from terminal bowel cancer, a particularly nasty way to die, even by todays standards. It wasn't diagnosed till July 1940, but must have been growing well before then. His health must be factored into any discussion about him. He did return to work in July - September 1940, no man can be called weak enduring what he suffered.

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Post by Gooner1 » 10 Dec 2013, 12:40

pugsville wrote:He was naive and sucked in by Hitler by some extent, but the rearmament was his initiative
Rearmament was hardly Chamberlain's initiative.

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Post by Gooner1 » 10 Dec 2013, 12:44

aghart wrote: It was his government that put the air defence of the UK as it's main priority.
Yes, after Munich in 1938. Prior to that the Air Ministry was putting air offence as it's main priority.

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Post by AJFFM » 10 Dec 2013, 16:04

pugsville wrote:He was naive and sucked in by Hitler by some extent, but the rearmament was his initiative and a sign that he didn't totally trust hitler but took good measures to cope with things if his policy of appeasement failed. He took over personally the important foreign affairs, and did not really seek advice or input, he was really equipped in very success in these intervention sin foreign affairs.

Yes generally not given any credit for his rearmament, and his prudent measures as a backup if appeasement failed.
I don't think he was naive, he was a realist. Without France there was no war and with France cold on war he had no choice but to appease Hitler while preparing for war.

He might have been naive in that he thought the German people will rise, or the military will lead a coup, before war but never the less he never relied on hopes and dreams.

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Post by phylo_roadking » 12 Dec 2013, 16:54

I think this has to be looked at in two parts;

Firstly, Chamberlain's intention at Munich...did he -

1/ go there specifically intending to achieve a territorial solution with Hitler in itself; or

2/ go there specifically intending to achieve a solution to the "current" Munich Crisis that would buy time for British (and incidently French) rearmament.

Then - secondly - there's the aspect of whether he was duped or not AT Munich :wink:

I saw something interesting in the Daily Express today that directly bears on the SECOND of these two questions, and has serious implications for the first ;) And it's sometimes strange where you "get" history from....

In a two-page spread on the personalised Christmas cards that the great and the good have put out in the UK over the last century, particularly prime ministers because of an ongoing issue of current politicians exploiting their families and model family lives for the camera for these personalised Christmas cards...

It was VERY interesting to see Neville Chamberlain's personalised No.10 Downing Street Christmas card for 1938, issues by the Prime Minister's Office...

ALL the card showed was an inflight picture of the aircraft that brought him back from Munich, and noted it as the "Peace in Our Time" aircraft :wink:

My personal opinion on this has shifted back and forth between the two positions over the last few years - but to me, now, that picture on that card shows that at least still by Christmas, Chamberlain indeed seriously believed he had achieved "peace in our time", so I would equally assume that this was what he intended to do. The apparent fact that he took so much pride in having "achieved" this would thus indicate to me something more than simply an intent to buy time.
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Post by Cerdic » 12 Dec 2013, 19:00

@ phylo_roadking, as you may already know leading politicians Christmas cards are nowadays shown in the media. If that was the case in the 1930s, Chamberlain's card doesn't prove much. :wink:

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Post by phylo_roadking » 12 Dec 2013, 20:11

as you may already know leading politicians Christmas cards are nowadays shown in the media.
Uh huh...
I saw something interesting in the Daily Express today ...In a two-page spread on the personalised Christmas cards that the great and the good have put out in the UK over the last century, particularly prime ministers...
If that was the case in the 1930s, Chamberlain's card doesn't prove much.
Not that I'm aware of; however, whether for public OR private consumption, personally I think it shows that as of Christmas '38 at least, Chamberlain STILL believed he had indeed achieved "peace in our time" and it was something to blow about ;) Which pretty much confirms for me that he was duped.

As well as confirming there was not a little conceit there...
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Post by durb » 02 Oct 2014, 21:18

Neville Chamberlain will stand badly in history and not because Churchill "wrote the history". Chamberlain himself wrote that history and his "peace of our times" will live forever as a premium example of self-deceit. One of his immortal statements after München treaty was that "Hitler is a man who keeps his promises". When it came to evaluate military powers in East Europe in spring 1939, Chamberlain considered Poland to be more mighty military power than Soviet Union! This man should have been limited to have role only in British domestic politics!

Chamberlain was a product of conservative Britain, which was narrowminded, introvert and "realistic". During the Spanish Civil War British were the most stubborn to believe in Non-involvement blockade, which was a complete joke - it was in common knowledge that Italy, Germany and USSR broke it although officially the three were backing non-involvement. The whole non-involvement organization would have died out if British would not have kept the shadow-show going on. In practice non-involvement pact made it sure that Spanish Republicans would depend solely on Soviets while Italy and Germany were free to supply Franco massively with arms, ammunition, tanks, planes and men. Everyone knew this - surely the British also - but they prentended that it was not happening.

Yes, I have read that Chamberlain was known in domestic British politics as a "iron man" and strong leader character in Conservative Party. However, for us non-British he will always remain as a pathetic character. Maybe he gained one important year more for the development of RAF with the München treaty, but he did also give one valuable year for Hitler to build more military muscles like Luftwaffe. Chamberlain just did not understand the "dynamics of national socialist foreign policy" until it was too late to contain Germany´s aggression. The guarantee which he gave to Poland was not enough to stop Hitler, who had seen how weak both British and French were. And actually Hitler was right, Britain and France could do nothing to stop the conquest of Poland in September 1939.

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Post by wm » 02 Oct 2014, 22:23

Before München, and even months after Hitler generally kept his promises, at least in international relations - so the Hitler is a man who keeps his promises wasn't quite wrong.
I think we all know now what the polar opposite of non-involvement looks like - pointless and unprofitable perpetual wars for the most trivial reasons.

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Post by durb » 02 Oct 2014, 22:40

Non-Intervention Agreement on Spanish Civil War was one of Chamberlain´s pet children - toothless organization pretending hypocritical pretence of non-intervention. In practice it worked in favour of German and Italian involvement in Spanish Civil War - they were free to supply Franco with massive aid while the Republicans were denied to buy arms and ammunitions from others than Stalin.

Hitler kept what he promised as Chamberlain wanted to believe? Well, we can start about the official German promise with "non-intervention" on Spanish Civil War. On 9 August 1936 German government informed the British government that 'no war materials had been sent from Germany (to Spain) and none will'.

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Post by wm » 02 Oct 2014, 23:34

It was a mistake, but it didn't matter. Italy and Germany got nothing for their efforts. Franco's Spain didn't support them in their wars later.

And it was a civil war, something for the natives to fight out, but anyway supporting a side in a civil war is not a crime. Current world leaders do that all the time.

It wasn't just Germany, Italy, the USSR, Mexico. Poland sold weapons in great numbers there too - to both sides of the conflict. If I'm not mistaken the Republicans got all the weapons they could afford to. The problem was their inefficient, poor leadership and the constant meddling of the Soviets.

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