Unsourced? Source provided several pages ago AND the actual material reproduced from Neil Grant's book - where Harry Fellowes recounts being shown a single drill that ran through each stoppage type in turn. That's "successive".
Yes, unsourced, or the only source here being you.
No, sourced to Neil Grant/Harry Fellowes. I can't help it that
you can't grasp the English syntax and grammar concerned, but that's not my problem.
Here again the changes:
Juha Tompuri #31 wrote:
phylo_roadking wrote:
The stoppages were indeed broken down into three groups in relation to where the cocking lever sat when the stoppage occured...if you care to look back I DID say this already Yes.
You started with quite correct information...
phylo_roadking at post #9 wrote:
The 1940 manual for the Lewis Gun, "The Lewis Gun Mechanism Made Easy"....lists fifteen possible reasons for stoppage, grouped according to where in its travel the cocking lever stopped when the gunner took his finger off the trigger - ...but at the same post... phylo_roadking wrote:
what if you had to get all the way through the drill to Number Fifteen to clear the problem?
...and then came the:
phylo_roadking at post #18 wrote:
successive 15 point failure-by-15 point failure routine...including...
phylo_roadking at post #18 wrote:
unlike the Lewis Gun, the Vickers' did NOT need a successive 15 point failure-by-15 point failure routine gone through to determine which fault applied; like the Bren, the cause of each separate stoppage was identifiable or could be clustered by type of symptom into much shorter clearance drills than the Lewis Gun ...continuing, and now introducing new ideas about cocking lever position indications...
phylo_roadking at post #21 wrote:
the ONLY external indicator of where the problem could possibly lay was the position of the cocking lever when the stoppage occured.......including...
phylo_roadking at post #21 wrote:
The point is that the stoppage may indeed be cleared at point ONE....but it likewise might be cleared at point TEN or TWELVE or FIFTEEN. The drill as taught involved stripping the weapon down to its component parts and inspecting each for certain issues or conditions - because the ONLY external indicator of where the problem could possibly lay was the position of the cocking lever when the stoppage occured....but getting down to the various issues that occured at the various points in the lever's travel meant starting the strip-down "drill" at the beginning and continuing right through it until the stoppage was found. There was no way to "short circuit" the strip-down to get to points ten or twelve or fifteen - if the problem lay towards the end of the drill, the no.2 had to go right through the strip-down and examination drill to get there.
phylo_roadking wrote:
As I said - it must just be your problem with English syntax and grammar. No problem though. The rest of us can take Fellowes' account on board verbatim.ChristopherPerrien #22 wrote:
There is something amiss here. Earlier you mention there were 15 possible reasons for a Lewis gun stoppage and somehow this morphed into a 15 point drill.
Oh, I didn't realise it was the syntax/grammar issue affected your understanding of those
But it does explain a lot...
THESE...
The stoppages were indeed broken down into three groups in relation to where the cocking lever sat when the stoppage occured...if you care to look back I DID say this already
The 1940 manual for the Lewis Gun, "The Lewis Gun Mechanism Made Easy"....lists fifteen possible reasons for stoppage, grouped according to where in its travel the cocking lever stopped when the gunner took his finger off the trigger -
the ONLY external indicator of where the problem could possibly lay was the position of the cocking lever when the stoppage occured....
...are about
the stoppages themselves...
THESE...
unlike the Lewis Gun, the Vickers' did NOT need a successive 15 point failure-by-15 point failure routine gone through to determine which fault applied;
successive 15 point failure-by-15 point failure routine
...are about
the clearance drill Lewis gunners were taught to clear stoppages. You know - THIS one...
"...we were shown a drill to run through "Number One Stoppage, Number Two Stoppage, Number Three Stoppage" and so on"
BTW...you seem not to have noticed this one:
Juha Tompuri #39 wrote:
phylo_roadking wrote:
I take it you haven't read Grant's book then... Have you?
I perused a friend's first edition at the start of April. Better than his Bren gun book, I thought.
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