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7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 22 May 2015, 20:15

Note: P=fit; Q=out of action, repairable in 24 hrs; R=battle casualty of last 24 hrs, not repairable in 24 hrs.

1 September 1944

7 Armd Div –
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 29, Q 4, R 5; Cromwell 75mm: P 108, Q 11, R 5; Cromwell 95mm: P 12, Q 1, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 12, Q 3, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 48, Q 1, R 1; Cromwell 95mm: P 6, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 5, Q 1, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 5, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: No information.

4 Armd Bde –
Sherman 75mm: P 130, Q 10, R 2; Sherman 17 pdr: P 30, Q 4, R – ; Stuart 37mm: P 17, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 5, Q 5, R 6; Sherman 17 pdr: P 1, Q 2, R – ; Stuart 37mm: P 1, Q -, R 6.

2 September 1944 (as at last light)

7 Armd Div – as at last light 2 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 30, Q 2, R 1; Cromwell 75mm: P 105, Q 4, R 2; Cromwell 95mm: P 12, Q 1, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 14, Q 1, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 45, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 6, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 5, Q 2, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R 1.

Fwd Del Sqn: Cromwell 75mm: P 1, Q -, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at last light 2 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 130, Q 10, R 5; Sherman 17 pdr: P 32, Q 3, R – ; Stuart 37mm: P 18, Q 1, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 7, Q 4, R 2; Sherman 17 pdr: P 5, Q 3, R – ; Stuart 37mm: P 2, Q 3, R 4.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 23 May 2015, 18:32

Then no more until:

7 Armd Div – at 0700 hrs 6 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 16, Q 3, R 2; Cromwell 75mm: P 63, Q 5, R 4; Cromwell 95mm: P 7, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 5, Q 1, R 2.
8 Hussars:
Not received.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 2, Q -, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P -, Q 2, R -.

4 Armd Bde – at 0700 hrs 6 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 123, Q 14, R 1; Sherman 17 pdr: P 38, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 14, Q 1, R 1.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 13, Q 3, R 5; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 1, R 8; Stuart 37mm: P 5, Q 1, R -.


7 Armd Div – as at last light 6 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 19, Q 2, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 90, Q 11, R 3; Cromwell 95mm: P 9, Q 1, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q 1, R 1.
8 Hussars:
Not received.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 1, Q -, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at last light 6 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 108, Q 8, R 8; Sherman 17 pdr: P 28, Q 5, R 2; Stuart 37mm: P 17, Q 2, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 3, Q 3, R 5; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 1, R 4; Stuart 37mm: P 5, Q 1, R 1.


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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by John Hilly » 23 May 2015, 19:55

Tom from Cornwall wrote:Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 13, Q 3, R 5; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 1, R 8; Stuart 37mm: P 5, Q 1, R -.
Being an ignorant Finn, could you explain what Forward Del Squadron means, please.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Michael Kenny » 23 May 2015, 20:17

They pick up and deliver replacement tanks to the Unit. 'Forward Delivery'.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 24 May 2015, 19:10

J-P,

As Michael says the Forward Delivery Squadrons were the link between the Vehicle Parks or REME workshops and the forward units. According to the tank state there was an Army FDS and three Corps FDS (for 8, 12 and 30 Corps).

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7 September 1944

7 Armd Div – 7 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 21 Q 3, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 95, Q 6, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 9, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 10, Q -, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 45, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 6, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 5, Q 1, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: No entry.

4 Armd Bde – 7 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 110, Q 8, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 26, Q 4, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 17, Q 3, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 3, Q 3, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 1, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 6, Q -, R -.

9 September 1944

7 Armd Div – as at 0645 9 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde: “NO CHANGE”
Sherman 17pdr: P 21 Q 3, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 95, Q 6, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 9, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 10, Q -, R -.
8 Hussars: “NO CHANGE”
Cromwell 75mm: P 45, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 6, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 5, Q 1, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 1, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 0645 9 Sep 44
“less 3/4 CLY"
Sherman 75mm: P 57, Q 14, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 17, Q 5, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 13, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 8, Q 1, R 4; Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 2, R 2; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by C.GILLONO » 25 May 2015, 13:29

Thanks!

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Post by John Hilly » 25 May 2015, 15:54

Michael Kenny wrote:They pick up and deliver replacement tanks to the Unit. 'Forward Delivery'.
Tom from Cornwall wrote:As Michael says the Forward Delivery Squadrons were the link between the Vehicle Parks or REME workshops and the forward units. According to the tank state there was an Army FDS and three Corps FDS (for 8, 12 and 30 Corps).
Thanks! Do I understand correctly, if I presume that FDS had no tanks of their own but only those being in transport from front to back and vice versa?

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 25 May 2015, 20:35

J-P,

Yes, you've got it right - no tanks of their own for the FDS.

Best place to look for details is here:

http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/23765-a ... ent-group/

Next tank states:

10 September 1944

7 Armd Div – as at 0700 10 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde: “less 5 RTR”
Sherman 17pdr: P 13 Q -, R 1; Cromwell 75mm: P 61, Q -, R 8; Cromwell 95mm: P 6, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R 3.
8 Hussars:
No details

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 1, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 0700 10 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 92, Q 21, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 22, Q 4, R 5; Stuart 37mm: P 16, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 10, Q 2, R 1; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 2, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.

4 Armd Bde – at last light 10 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 96, Q 17, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 22, Q 5, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 14, Q 3, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 10, Q 2, R 1; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 9, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 2, Q -, R -.

12 September 1944

7 Armd Div – as at 0700 12 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 20 Q 2, R 4; Cromwell 75mm: P 102, Q 6, R 14; Cromwell 95mm: P 10, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q 1, R 4.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 44, Q -, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 5, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 6, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 1, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 0700 12 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 105, Q -, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 23, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 15, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P -, Q -, R 1; Sherman 17 pdr: P 2, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.

Regards

Tom

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 May 2015, 21:59

Was it not part of a FD Squadron that disposed of several Panthers early in June?

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 27 May 2015, 20:33

Michael,
Was it not part of a FD Squadron that disposed of several Panthers early in June?
I think some of the tanks held by the FDS would be complete with crews from the respective formations to which they were on their way, or held in reserve for, but the war establishment of an FDS did not include any of their own tanks as far as I know.

I seem to recall a similar incident on the corridor north of Eindhoven when some 44 RTR tanks were being delivered to the regiment but were knocked out when diverted into a hasty attack.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 27 May 2015, 20:35

Next tank states:

Last light 12 September 1944

7 Armd Div – as at last light 12 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 21 Q 1, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 108, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 10, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q -, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 48, Q -, R 8; Cromwell 95mm: P 5, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 6, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.
Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 1, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at last light 12 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 105, Q -, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 23, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 15, Q 2, R -.
Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 9, Q 2, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 2, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.


13/14 September 1944

7 Armd Div – as at 2200 hrs 13 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 21 Q 1, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 108, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 10, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q -, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 48, Q -, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 5, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 6, Q -, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 3, Q 1, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 1400 hrs 14 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 94, Q 19, R 3; Sherman 17 pdr: P 20, Q 7, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 13, Q 2, R 1.
Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 9, Q 2, R -; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 2, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.

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Re: 7 Armd Div and 4 Armd Bde Tank state Sep 44

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Post by Tom from Cornwall » 28 May 2015, 19:54

7 Armd Div – as at 2030 hrs 14 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 21 Q 1, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 98, Q 2, R 1; Cromwell 95mm: P 9, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q 1, R 4.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 44, Q 5, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 5, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 6, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 1, Q 1, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 2030 hrs 14 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 102, Q 8, R 19; Sherman 17 pdr: P 24, Q 4, R -; Stuart 37mm: P 11, Q -, R 5.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 9, Q 7, R 2; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 2, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R -.



7 Armd Div – as at 16 Sep 44
22 Armd Bde:
Sherman 17pdr: P 22 Q 2, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 105, Q 3, R 9; Cromwell 95mm: P 8, Q 1, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 9, Q 1, R -.
8 Hussars:
Cromwell 75mm: P 44, Q 5, R -; Cromwell 95mm: P 5, Q - , R - ; Challenger 17pdr: P 6, Q -, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

Fwd Del Sqn: Sherman 17 pdr: P 1, Q -, R -; Cromwell 75mm: P 4, Q -, R -.

4 Armd Bde – as at 2210B hrs 15 Sep 44
Sherman 75mm: P 106, Q 4, R 4; Sherman 17 pdr: P 24, Q 3, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 11, Q -, R 2.

Fwd Del Sqn:
Sherman 75mm: P 8, Q 4, R 17; Sherman 17 pdr: P 4, Q 3, R 1; Stuart 37mm: P 3, Q -, R 3.

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