Andorra, Luxembourg, San Marino, Liechenstien in WW2

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#31

Post by Yuri » 05 Jul 2006, 22:21

Hi, Steen Ammentorp,

The message on specified by you e-mail has sent.
Here I duplicate the basic text of the message.

Hi, Steen Ammentorp,

I direct to you a file containing the information of Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR Kruglov about the indication of quantity military-captured the soldier, officers and generals of the western armies.
If you expect to find there interned should tell, that:
In GUPVI interned were considered separately from captured.
Among the interned citizens of Luxembourg is not present


Sincerely,
Yuri
udachi / Good luck

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 06 Jul 2006, 20:54

Hi Yuri,

Thank you very much for the material. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet but I will.

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#33

Post by Animal » 23 Aug 2006, 21:58

arwel wrote:Liechtenstein was neutral, and I think was covered by Switzerland's defences, though if I correctly recall something I saw when I collected Liechtenstein stamps around 10 years ago, there was a small group of White Russian SS soldiers who sought refuge in the country at the end of the war.
The Germans did try to annex the principality before the war, and in fact sent an infantry company to march into Vaduz. They were stopped at however by a priest who had gathered several police and Boy Scouts with him at the border. That measure obviously worked because the German commander apparently decided that Liechtenstein wasn't worth invading or annexing. About 75 Liecthtensteiners though did volunteer for the Waffen SS. After the war, Liechtenstein Nazis who had tried getting the Principality into thr Reich were put on trial.

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Re: San Marino

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Post by Animal » 23 Aug 2006, 22:07

futter wrote:San Marino did fight in World war two, it saw a fascist coup that deposed it's ancient fairly democratci constitution, and in teh war as of it's help to Italian supplylines, was bombed by the allies. After teh war teh people had been so turned off fascism, bu Nazi depradation in teh land, that it voted for Communist regimes, which were as communist as teh regime, in Northern Italy Mayoralistie,s not real communists, just leftists who were decent
After San Marino's fascist regime was deposed, the republic declared neutrality, but in 1944, its mountains were an ideal spot for artillery observers. After several fruitless negotiations to get permission to use the peaks, the Germans invaded San Marino in September 1944, quickly overwhelming its 300 man army. The country was occupied for about a week or so until the British drove out the Germans.

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Post by Animal » 23 Aug 2006, 22:13

Loïc wrote:Many people of Luxembourg came in my region during the war,near 1100, some joining the French Resistance, there were 11 168 malgré nous in Luxembourg

About Monaco, occupied by the Italians november 1942-september 1943 and after by Germans to august 1944
After Monaco was liberated, the Principality declared war on Germany. Prince Rainier in fact volunteered for the French Army as an artillery officer.

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Post by Loïc » 27 Aug 2006, 06:12

Since 1936 to the summer 1940 Andorre was protected by 151 French Gardes Mobiles (Gendarmes), in 1944 with the Liberation German Gendarmes came in the principalty probably in order to escape to the French Maquisards.

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Post by Hans S » 06 Sep 2006, 15:33

Luxembourg:

Before the draft was introduced in 1942 there where some 1 800 - 2 000 volunteering for the Germans. The draft produced 12 035 men, 2 752 KIA and missing and in addition 1 500 seriously injured, and 3 516 deserters. The Germans deported families of deserters to Poland.

Quite many Luxemborgers joined the resistance but I don't have any figures and some where fighting with the allies - the only unit I'm aware of is the Luxemburgish battery of the first Belgian brigade. The future Grand Duc of Luxembourg, Jean I, became a Captain of the British army.

The pre-war population was 293 000 - 5 259 Luxembourgers where killed during the war.

Sources on line:
http://www.feldgrau.com/lux.html
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-lux.html
http://www.nat-military-museum.lu/pages ... mbourg.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occ ... rld_War_II

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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 21 Feb 2007, 10:43

Some articles or "legend" stated that there was an attempt by Germany to occupy the country. A German battalion approached its boarder and was blocked by ,I think 10, Scouts and police from Vaduz accompained by a Vaduz priest. after a conversation of the priest and the Germans the invasion was aborted . Thus Liechtenstein was saved.

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#39

Post by Sturmabteilungsmann » 04 Apr 2007, 06:37

And how quickly was this incompetent German officer hung for cowardice? :?

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Post by Sturmabteilungsmann » 04 Apr 2007, 06:40

"Well you see Mein Fuhrer, there were these boy scouts and a very nice priest. And the 2 policemen were ready to write us tickets for violating the Vaduz zoning rules".

Come on, this is preposterous!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 04 Apr 2007, 11:14

I think the Germans lifted the occupation of Liechtenstein possibly owing to many factors:

That the country is small and therefore has a small population.
That the country was under protection from Switzerland.
That the country is not enough to be considered as threat to Germany and it is located in a cornered area.

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Re: The explanation

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Post by Animal » 04 Apr 2007, 21:42

Sturmabteilungsmann wrote:"Well you see Mein Fuhrer, there were these boy scouts and a very nice priest. And the 2 policemen were ready to write us tickets for violating the Vaduz zoning rules".

Come on, this is preposterous!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLOL!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Yuri » 13 Apr 2007, 03:35

Hans S wrote:Luxembourg:

Before the draft was introduced in 1942 there where some 1 800 - 2 000 volunteering for the Germans. The draft produced 12 035 men, 2 752 KIA and missing and in addition 1 500 seriously injured, and 3 516 deserters. The Germans deported families of deserters to Poland.

Quite many Luxemborgers joined the resistance but I don't have any figures and some where fighting with the allies - the only unit I'm aware of is the Luxemburgish battery of the first Belgian brigade. The future Grand Duc of Luxembourg, Jean I, became a Captain of the British army.

The pre-war population was 293 000 - 5 259 Luxembourgers where killed during the war.

Sources on line:
http://www.feldgrau.com/lux.html
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-lux.html
http://www.nat-military-museum.lu/pages ... mbourg.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occ ... rld_War_II

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Hans

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So, so, so. In a result appeared, that my calculations appeared almost exact.
Official figure 12 035 + 2 000 = 14 034 citizens Luxembourg were at war in structure Vermaht on the side of Germany.
My calculations gave figure 14 850 of citizens of Luxembourg.
Error 14 850 – 14 034 = 816 person or 5,81 %.

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Post by Sean RR » 25 Oct 2007, 07:10

Below is a member of the San Marino security force 1944. Not a big unit but it wasn't a big place.
A picture of a Liechtenstein policeman is on my website myweb.tiscali.co.uk/uniformsotw/, enjoy.
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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 25 Oct 2007, 11:31

Do have any info on the unit organization of the Municipality of San Marino during the war?

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