Estonian artillery

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Post by JTV » 17 Apr 2007, 15:46

YAN wrote:Jarkko, would the stata for the 81 Kfh/26 be the same as the Brandt, Yan.
Finnish literature names 81 Krh/26 (81-mm mortar model 1926) as Brandt mortar model of 1924 - 1925.

According Finnish military manual published in 1920's the stats for 81 Krh/26:

- Total weight: 55.5 kg
- Weight of barrel + bottom piece: 21 kg
- Weight of bipod + elevation & traverse mechanism: 16 kg
- Weight of base-plate: 18.5 kg
- Barrel length: 120 cm
- Elevation: + 45 degrees - + 75 degrees
- Lateral alignment division of mortar sight 5400
- Maximum range: 2.6 kilometers (? - suggested by another source)
- Mortar shell:
--- Length: 10.15 cm
--- Weight: 3.2 kg
--- 8 stabiliser wings
--- Filling: 600 grams of TNT
--- Fuse: French S.R.
--- Basic propellant charge 8 grams of nitroglyserin gunpowder packed to 12-gauge shotgun shell. Additional propellant charges contain 5.5 grams of nitroglyserin gunpowder packed to special gelatin (sicoid) capsules. Maximum number of additional propellant charges used was four.

BTW: Krh = abbreviation of Finnish term "kranaatinheitin", literally translated "grenade thrower". I assume the term may have been translated either from German "granatwerfer" of Swedish "granatkastare".

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Exports of Tampella Mortars

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Post by Bessar » 22 Apr 2007, 11:43

Does the Tampella history list the export customers for their mortars? How many did each customer order?


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Re: Exports of Tampella Mortars

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Post by JTV » 22 Apr 2007, 14:18

Susan Cross wrote:Does the Tampella history list the export customers for their mortars? How many did each customer order?
No, there is no real list of export customers. From all exports it mentions specifically just these deliveries to Baltic countries. In additition the author suggests that one of the Tampella's own 81-mm versions (Model "M" in Tampella inventory, Finnish Army decided to call it "81 Krh/32" even if it was manufactured around 1938 - 1939, export license for 40 mortars to China was acquired just before WW2) was designed for China, but none of these were delivered.

The arrangement was such that usually the export mortars went to Brandt, which sold them to its various customers.

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Export Tampellas

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Post by Bessar » 23 Apr 2007, 03:50

Thank you; this clears up the situation.

It sounds like Brandt had a relationship with Tampella that was similar to that of Bofors with its licencees--many of the 40mm exported to other countries actually came from firms that had licences from Bofors to build weapons for their own national armies.

For example, the 12 Estonian guns were built in Poland, and the 8 "pattern" guns for Norway came from the Belgian line. The Netherlands home army had 46 guns that came from Sweden, Poland and Hungary.

The information you've given on the mortars for the Baltic countries was excellent, and a great help. Thanks again.

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Estonian mortar inventory

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Post by Bessar » 03 May 2007, 00:29

Have been corresponding with an Estonian gentleman on another site:

Estonia bought 2 mortars from Finland at the end of 1936 ( presumably the Brandt model).

In 1938 Estonia bought 10 mortars plus ammunition; the Arsenal built 2 copies.

On 3-25-39 the Chief of Defense requested 120 mortars be built, however there was no money to pay for them. But the Arsenal did complete two series totaling 20 mortars by June-July 1940.

This comes to 34 mortars, which is the figure I saw on the Estonian site.

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Post by YAN » 10 May 2007, 16:31

Your information is allways on the money Susan, I am sorry to have not been able to view your threads I have been to Prague on holiday, Thanks again Yan.

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Re: ESTONIAN ARTILLERY

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Post by Alex Yeliseenko » 10 May 2014, 21:12

1940 year

37 mm rheimetal 44
47 mm boehler 4
76 mm m1902 66
75 mm 24
107 mm m1910 14
107 mm schneider 6
114 mm qf 28
150 mm sfh16 8
152 mm 29
37 mm aag 4
75 mm aag 8
76 mm m1931 12

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Re: Estonian artillery

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Post by andrus » 11 May 2014, 12:46

Just in case somebody does not know, on Estonian War Museum homepage there are yearbooks for download: http://www.esm.ee/11516/
Yearbook 2004 http://www.esm.ee/public/aastaraamat/2004.pdf contains Toe Nõmm's article about Estonian artillery 1918-1940 (pages 39-205). Unfortunately in estonian, but with english summary. Also tables / pictures should be self-evident.

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Re: Estonian artillery

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Post by Sturm78 » 20 Jun 2015, 11:12

Hi all,

I found this image on a Estonian forum, showing an 76.2mm Soviet M1931 AA gun in...Estonian service ??
Did the Soviet Unión sell some of these guns to Estonia prior the 1940 invasión ?? :?

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