Id. turkish artillery
Id. turkish artillery
Hi all,
I found this images taken in 1940 on http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... rkish+Life
but in that forum nobody could identify then with precision. Can anyone help me identify these weapons?
Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78.
I found this images taken in 1940 on http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... rkish+Life
but in that forum nobody could identify then with precision. Can anyone help me identify these weapons?
Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78.
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Top and middle: it looks like a 10 cm Skoda M.16/19 Mountain Gun i.e a 10 cm M.16 with a longer barrel. (See here for detail and sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoda_100_mm_Model_16/19. Note: the picture actually shows the M.16 model with the shorter barrel).
According to http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Ca ... ienne.html a 105 mm version of the 10 cm M.16 had been exported to Turkey. But it could actually be a 105 mm version of the M.16/19 with the longer barrel.
In the last picture, it looks like a 75 mm Schneider Mle 1914 compared with here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_7 ... _Schneider
Emmanuel
According to http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Ca ... ienne.html a 105 mm version of the 10 cm M.16 had been exported to Turkey. But it could actually be a 105 mm version of the M.16/19 with the longer barrel.
In the last picture, it looks like a 75 mm Schneider Mle 1914 compared with here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_7 ... _Schneider
Emmanuel
Last edited by Manuferey on 03 May 2009, 15:47, edited 1 time in total.
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Hi Emmanuel.
Thank you very much for your information!! I think you are right.
Regards Sturm78.
Thank you very much for your information!! I think you are right.
Regards Sturm78.
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Thank you Sturm for posting here.
Allow me to point out to the entire thread with lots of interesting and relatively unknown artillery pieces:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... ion+thread
Indeed not all have been identified, but some have on this thread:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +1900-1945
Let me know if one of you can add some info!
Allow me to point out to the entire thread with lots of interesting and relatively unknown artillery pieces:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... ion+thread
Indeed not all have been identified, but some have on this thread:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +1900-1945
Let me know if one of you can add some info!
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First two photos are Skoda vz.16/19 model (export variant for Turkey). There was a debate about the caliber, but Czech sources stetes they were standard 10-cm caliber.
Third gun is Schneider "PD" commercial gun, used by Spain, Portugal, Greece, Serbia and Turkey. "Mle 14" was French designation for these commercial guns found on French soil at the start of WWI, seized and put into French service. Later in the war, when enough standard Mle 1897 gun were available, Mle 14 guns were withdrawn from service - it seems that some were given to allied Greece, remaining sold after war as surplus (number unknownt to me ended up first in Polland, later in Spain Civil War).
It is interesting to note that "Mle 14" guns were originaly ordered from Turkey. Only a part of delivery was performed when WWI started; as their guns seized and Turkey later joined the Central powers, there were no more deliveries. However, Turkey had more Schneider "PD" guns in use - some seized in Salonika port 1912 (Serbian M.1907A model) and some captured from Greeks (M.1906) in 1920-22 War.
Third gun is Schneider "PD" commercial gun, used by Spain, Portugal, Greece, Serbia and Turkey. "Mle 14" was French designation for these commercial guns found on French soil at the start of WWI, seized and put into French service. Later in the war, when enough standard Mle 1897 gun were available, Mle 14 guns were withdrawn from service - it seems that some were given to allied Greece, remaining sold after war as surplus (number unknownt to me ended up first in Polland, later in Spain Civil War).
It is interesting to note that "Mle 14" guns were originaly ordered from Turkey. Only a part of delivery was performed when WWI started; as their guns seized and Turkey later joined the Central powers, there were no more deliveries. However, Turkey had more Schneider "PD" guns in use - some seized in Salonika port 1912 (Serbian M.1907A model) and some captured from Greeks (M.1906) in 1920-22 War.
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Here is another thread with discussion and pictures of a remaining 10 cm M.16/19 (thanks The Edge !):
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=108523
Emmanuel
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=108523
Emmanuel
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Nuyt,nuyt wrote: [...]
Allow me to point out to the entire thread with lots of interesting and relatively unknown artillery pieces:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... ion+thread
[...]
Let me know if one of you can add some info!
The 5th picture in your post "naval gun - From militaryphotos.net" is a 8,8 cm SK L/35.
See here for detail:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-35_skc00.htm
Emmanuel
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Thanks!
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Hi all,
Again I need your help to identify this Turkish gun.
Sorry, I do not remember the source. (perhaps Overvalwagen forum, I am not sure)
Regards Sturm78.
Again I need your help to identify this Turkish gun.
Sorry, I do not remember the source. (perhaps Overvalwagen forum, I am not sure)
Regards Sturm78.
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There's definitely a 10,5 cm leFH18 and 7,5 cm leFK38 flavor in the tube design !
If you take a 7,5 cm leFK38 then remove the muzzle brake and chopped off the upper portion of the shield, it becomes pretty close. So a missing link between the 7,5 cm leFK18 and leFK38?
Emmanuel
If you take a 7,5 cm leFK38 then remove the muzzle brake and chopped off the upper portion of the shield, it becomes pretty close. So a missing link between the 7,5 cm leFK18 and leFK38?
Emmanuel
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According to http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +1900-1945 it's a Rheinmetall 10,5 cm leFH L/28 with box trail.
Markus
Markus
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Thank you for your answers,Manuferey and Peeved.
In the Peeved`s link there are some photos of this gun. But I'm not so sure it's a weapon of 10.5cm. It looks to me more a weapon of 7.5cm. The barrel seems very fine, but it is difficult to ensure.
Moreover, Why the Turks were going to buy another barrel of 10.5cm L28 and to join it to an old box carriage if they had already the 10.5cm Rh L30 with a more modern split trail carriage?
Another images of this gun from http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +1900-1945 and a image of a turk Rh 10.5cm L30 from same source, to compare the size of the tube.
Regards Sturm78
In the Peeved`s link there are some photos of this gun. But I'm not so sure it's a weapon of 10.5cm. It looks to me more a weapon of 7.5cm. The barrel seems very fine, but it is difficult to ensure.
Moreover, Why the Turks were going to buy another barrel of 10.5cm L28 and to join it to an old box carriage if they had already the 10.5cm Rh L30 with a more modern split trail carriage?
Another images of this gun from http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +1900-1945 and a image of a turk Rh 10.5cm L30 from same source, to compare the size of the tube.
Regards Sturm78
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The howitzers on the first two photos look more like either 105mm Skoda D8s or, less probably, 100mm Skoda D9s because of the "pin" on the front end of the cradle (the vz.16/19 have "bulge" like vz.16 rather than a "pin").
And what can you say about this gun?
And what can you say about this gun?
With best regards, Ilya.
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The mountain howitzers were made by Bochumer Verein/Hanomag in the late 1930s for Turkey and were probably based on old Turkish (and captured Greek) Skoda 10cms, fitting them with 105mm barrels (L22?). These needed heavy counterweights below the breech, as you can see on other pics on the Overvalwagen Forum. BV/H did a similar job on Turkish 75mm field guns, fitting them with longer barrels.
Last gun looks like a WW1 105mm gun, never seen the pic before...K14 or K17?
Last gun looks like a WW1 105mm gun, never seen the pic before...K14 or K17?
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Hello all.
Recently found this photos on Gittigidiyor, what can you say?
Recently found this photos on Gittigidiyor, what can you say?
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- From http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/koleksiyon/foto-16-ankara-polatli-topcu-askerler-1955-a18-94597122
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- From http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/antika-sanat/asker-subay-top-siyah-beyaz-fotograf-no-298-83847357
- ASKER-SUBAY-TOP-SIYAH-BEYAZ-FOTOGRAF-NO-298__83847357_0_crop.jpg (21.85 KiB) Viewed 1443 times
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- From http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/koleksiyon/sdr-ingiliz-askerleri-ve-browning-toplari-1091759
- SDR-INGILIZ-ASKERLERI-VE-BROWNING-TOPLARI__1091759_0.jpg (23.18 KiB) Viewed 1443 times
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- From http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/koleksiyon/yabanci-topcu-askerlerin-top-atisi-fotokart-99100060
- YABANCI-TOPCU-ASKERLERIN-TOP-ATISI-FOTOKART__99100060_0.jpg (33.36 KiB) Viewed 1443 times
With best regards, Ilya.