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The Hungarian cryptologic service

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The Hungarian cryptologic service

Postby paspartoo on 11 Jun 2012 08:23

Something for the Hungarians in this forum:
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2 ... staff.html
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Re: The Hungarian cryptologic service

Postby Dr Eisvogel on 01 Jul 2012 18:00

paspartoo wrote:Something for the Hungarians in this forum:
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2 ... staff.html


Dear Mr. Christos T.,

I see you have listed the sources for the article.

Sources: European Axis Signal Intelligence vol 8, I-193 ‘Interrogation of SS Obersturmbahnfuhrer Urban, Liaison officer of RHSA/VI with the crypto bureau of Hungarian General Staff’, I-202 Interrogation of Min Rat of Viktor Wendland of OKW/Chi’, DF-187 ‘The career of Wilhelm Fenner with special regards to his activity in the field of cryptography and cryptanalysis’, DF-187D ‘Relations of OKW/Chi with foreign cryptologic bureaus’, The secret front: the story of Nazi political espionage, ‘Japanese Intelligence in World War II’ by Ken Kotani, ‘In the Name of Intelligence: Essays in Honor of Walter Pforzheimer’, Wikipedia (for the flag)

Could you tell what is the source for the names of the ten departments of the cryptologic service?

Also, were those names for the departments e.g. "4. Russian (Russia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Slovakia)" or "3. French" official or unofficial?

For which point in time is this chart for 10 departments representative? I notice that it belongs to period after dissolution of Czechoslovakia (March 1939) and before dissolution of Yugoslavia (April 1941)?

Are there any biographical notes about the following officers:

Colonel von Petrikovic
Sesevits
Colonel Harmony
Lieutenant Colonel Brcic
Major Bibo

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Eisvogel

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Re: The Hungarian cryptologic service

Postby paspartoo on 01 Jul 2012 19:19

Dr Eisvogel wrote:
Dear Mr. Christos T.,

I see you have listed the sources for the article.

Sources: European Axis Signal Intelligence vol 8, I-193 ‘Interrogation of SS Obersturmbahnfuhrer Urban, Liaison officer of RHSA/VI with the crypto bureau of Hungarian General Staff’, I-202 Interrogation of Min Rat of Viktor Wendland of OKW/Chi’, DF-187 ‘The career of Wilhelm Fenner with special regards to his activity in the field of cryptography and cryptanalysis’, DF-187D ‘Relations of OKW/Chi with foreign cryptologic bureaus’, The secret front: the story of Nazi political espionage, ‘Japanese Intelligence in World War II’ by Ken Kotani, ‘In the Name of Intelligence: Essays in Honor of Walter Pforzheimer’, Wikipedia (for the flag)

Could you tell what is the source for the names of the ten departments of the cryptologic service?


Check Ticom I-193, p3

Dr Eisvogel wrote:
Also, were those names for the departments e.g. "4. Russian (Russia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Slovakia)" or "3. French" official or unofficial?



Those details come from Urban’s report. I don’t know if they are 100% correct.

Dr Eisvogel wrote:
For which point in time is this chart for 10 departments representative? I notice that it belongs to period after dissolution of Czechoslovakia (March 1939) and before dissolution of Yugoslavia (April 1941)?


I suspect that it is representative of the period 1943-44.

Dr Eisvogel wrote: Are there any biographical notes about the following officers:

Colonel von Petrikovic
Sesevits
Colonel Harmony
Lieutenant Colonel Brcic
Major Bibo


I'm afraid that only their names and general position are mentioned.
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