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deathlibrarian wrote: In terms of looking at WW2, it is really interesting how pivotal the ULTRA code breaking program was.
deathlibrarian wrote:To me, with the Allies breaking cracking the Enigma machines and the regular ability to read German codes,
deathlibrarian wrote:it looks like it was pivotal in winning the war for two theatres, The Atlantic, and North Africa.
deathlibrarian wrote:Yep, I agree Germany probably wouldn't of won, if the Allies didn't have ULTRA. But reading about the North Africa Campaign, I think highly likely the Allies would have lost the whole campaign if ULTRA wasn't giving them advanced moves.
They also would have probably wouldn't have lost the Battle of the Atalantic. ...
deathlibrarian wrote:If you look at the supplies to Rommel, Sir Harry Kinglsey, an Historian who was at Benchley Park with Ultra, said that 40% - 60% of Rommel's shipped supplies were destroyed, because of ULTRA decrypts. Hinsley, Francis Harry (1993), British intelligence in the Second World War also said ULTRA was pivotal in aiding shipping to cutting supplies to Rommel.
deathlibrarian wrote:The Allies had ULTRA intel on the attack on Crete, and the heavy losses sustained by German paratroopers, forced Hitler to abandon attack on Malta...which kept it in Allied hands as a base.
deathlibrarian wrote: Additionally, Ultra decrypts gave advance knowledge of Axis movements that aided the Battle of Alam el Halfa, the Second Battle of El Alamein and Operation Torch.
The one time the Allies *ignored* ULTRA intel, at Kasserine Pass, they underestimated Axis forces and sufferred for it.
deathlibrarian wrote:At times, Rommel very nearly succeded in winning in North Africa. Without Ultra, it would seem from my reading, the Allies would have been in some trouble and quite possibly have lost the campaign.
deathlibrarian wrote:... At times, Rommel very nearly succeded in winning in North Africa. Without Ultra, it would seem from my reading, the Allies would have been in some trouble and quite possibly have lost the campaign.
LWD wrote:...the logisitics problem wasn't getting supplies to North Africa it was getting them to the front from the ports.
Polar bear wrote:hi,LWD wrote:...the logisitics problem wasn't getting supplies to North Africa it was getting them to the front from the ports.
IMO it was both. The RN´s and RAF´s attacks on the Italian tankers and fuel-carrying freighters prior to Rommel´s last attack at El Alamein on September 1, 1942, was AFAIK quite successful and decisive.
greetings, the pb
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