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Werther

Postby wmcdowell1 » 20 May 2011 17:15

Can anyone inform me on an individal named Werther--i am reading Paul Carells' Scorched Earth and this individal is mentioned as an inside man of the Soviets , relating information on the upcomming operation Citadel. Did or does he exist and if not any ideas on who this person is (was).?

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Re: Werther

Postby HFK » 23 May 2011 06:02

Hello wm,
Werther's identity is one of the unsolved mysteries of WW2. All we can guess is that he was someone in Hitler's HQ, and many have been suspected, including Martin Bormann. He has never been identified. Search on google and you will find 4 pages of entries on Werther, and theories about his identity, but at the end you still won't know who he was. It is sort of an approriate name. Werher was a tragic character in one of Goethe's novels.
Regards, Harry

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Re: Werther

Postby wmcdowell1 » 23 May 2011 11:56

HFK--thanks for the info.

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Re: Werther

Postby joe cleere » 19 Feb 2013 04:59

Someone somewhere has probably already thought of this, but Werther was probably not really a spy ring inside the German High Command. It may have been the intelligence that the British derived from Ultra and passed on to the Soviets. The British did after all warn the Soviets that Germany was about to attack the Soviet Union. Stalin chose to disregard the warning as a provocation by the British who he thought wanted to see Germany and the Soviet Union go to war against each other.

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Re: Werther

Postby ljadw » 19 Feb 2013 07:41

Hm:Stalin had all reasons to not believe the British informations,because these were unreliable .
About Werther :that's an invention ,if you understand German,you could look at the following source:

Werther hat nie gelebt.

Of course,it was not Bormann :he was a civilian,without access to and knowledge of military secrets

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Re: Werther

Postby paspartoo » 19 Feb 2013 09:50

wmcdowell1 wrote:Can anyone inform me on an individal named Werther--i am reading Paul Carells' Scorched Earth and this individal is mentioned as an inside man of the Soviets , relating information on the upcomming operation Citadel. Did or does he exist and if not any ideas on who this person is (was).?


There is an article ‘Spies, Ciphers and 'Zitadelle': Intelligence and the Battle of Kursk, 1943’ by Timothy P. Mulligan in the Journal of Contemporary History 1987, that looks into the Rote Drei network and their information on Citadel. To cut a long story short they weren’t very accurate.
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