Bloody Triangle/Kamenir
Re: Bloody Triangle/Kamenir
This book looks like the author is trying to take on what Isaev already wrote about in his "Ot Dubno do Rostova."
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"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
Re: Bloody Triangle/Kamenir
hi, what did Isaev's wrote about in his ""Ot Dubno do Rostova." ?Kunikov wrote:This book looks like the author is trying to take on what Isaev already wrote about in his "Ot Dubno do Rostova."
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In part, it includes the fighting in the 'Triangle' mentioned in the above named book, the large number of mech corps ordered to stop the Germans, the problems they encountered, etc.
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
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Vladimirsky described the battle (or at least a part of it) long before Isaev. I think the real reason for such popularity is that a large amount of primary sources from the Soviet side are readily available, I mean "Collection of combat documents" #33 and 36.
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Isaev is the one I associate with it because he's fresh in my mind, the description of this book simply reminded me of his. Are these combat document collections available online?Art wrote:Vladimirsky described the battle (or at least a part of it) long before Isaev. I think the real reason for such popularity is that a large amount of primary sources from the Soviet side are readily available, I mean "Collection of combat documents" #33 and 36.
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
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http://ww2doc.50megs.com/Issues.htmlAre these combat document collections available online?
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Art wrote:http://ww2doc.50megs.com/Issues.htmlAre these combat document collections available online?
Very nice, thanks!
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
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Since I could not read Russian, this book is new for me, my question is do you guys know the author Victor Kamenir ? what is his reputation as a history researcher ?
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mars wrote:Since I could not read Russian, this book is new for me, my question is do you guys know the author Victor Kamenir ? what is his reputation as a history researcher ?
Never heard of him, I found it odd that someone could be writing on this and not be a part of the 'inner circle' in which everyone knows everyone else, for better or worse.
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
Re: Bloody Triangle/Kamenir
Have anyone read his book?
I also read that Bellona in Poland will publish this book in Polish during 2010..
I also read that Bellona in Poland will publish this book in Polish during 2010..
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michalst wrote:Have anyone read his book?
I also read that Bellona in Poland will publish this book in Polish during 2010..
Yes, I read it. It's an interesting book but greatly lacking in citations, making it somewhat useless to scholars and academics.
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
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Bieshanovs books also lack citations. Don't know if you read them, but something in the same style?but greatly lacking in citations, making it somewhat useless to scholars and academics.
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Have not read him, so I cannot comment.michalst wrote:Bieshanovs books also lack citations. Don't know if you read them, but something in the same style?but greatly lacking in citations, making it somewhat useless to scholars and academics.
"Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest violence." Jewish proverb
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
"This isn't Paris, you will not get through here with a Marching Parade!" Defenders of Stalingrad
Re: Bloody Triangle/Kamenir
I am currently reading this, more on it later. It's pretty good.