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Ordvark wrote:Clive Mortimore ,
why brits never used that stuff ?
Ordvark wrote:Guys,guys,guys, you dont get the point.The main question is : why infantrymen were equiped with steel helmets ( no metter like them or not,bullet proof or not),and not equiped with body armour ? I dont mean todays "body armour" , which can protrct from rifle bullets.I mean steel bibs, like soviets had, who cud protect from shell frags,shrapnel and pistol bullets from long range.
It was very useful in dense, intense urban battles (Stalingrad) where the Germans used the MP-40 predominantly, but, because of its weight, was not practical for soldiers charging across an open field.
Here:Orwell1984 wrote: More discussion here with a link back to a previous AHF thread on the subject:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/s ... hp?t=61956
Dunserving wrote:The Russian armour in WW2 weighed 3.5kg and as described, markedly restricted mobility. It could stop a 9mm bullet fired from 100 metres away, but could not stop a rifle bullet.....
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16207&start=30#p1417416JTV wrote:Attached is photo of Soviet bodyarmour captured during World War 2 - and it has two bullet holes. Photo taken in Infantry Museum in Mikkeli (Finland).
Ordvark wrote:ww1 = tranch warfare
ww2 = "motor" war (soldiers were moving on the open space , in common).
Karelia , as you say head injuries were common.As a response - soldiers start using helmets.
In ww2 most deaths and heavy injuries (aprox. 80%) were caused by shrapnel\blast fragment hits in
torso.Response = zero. Where's the logic ?
Clive Mortimore wrote:The British did devise body armour, 1 million sets were ordered but this was reduced to 300,000 because the commanders could decide who would be issued with it, in the end 15,000 sets were sent to the 21st Army group but never used. The RAF received quite a large number but I do not know waht they done with them.
Am I right that the term "Flak Jacket" as we called the armoured vest we wore in Northern Ireland, comes from the jackets worn by USAAF bomber crews to protect them from shell splinters from German Anti-Aircraft guns. The USAAF wore body armour in WW2.
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