“THE GÖRING TELEGRAM” – Hermann Göring Telegram to Adolf Hitler On Auction

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“THE GÖRING TELEGRAM” – Hermann Göring Telegram to Adolf Hitler On Auction

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Post by Ibrahim Ahmad » 06 Jul 2015, 04:16

News article - https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-ar ... ction.html


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One of the most historic messages of World War II, Martin Bormann’s copy of the telegram sent by Hermann Göring to Adolf Hitler advising him that within 24 hours Göring would take control of the German government.


This telegram would mark the beginning of the disintegration of Hitler’s administration and the ultimate downfall of his government. The document, an original carbon prepared at the time of the receipt of the wireless message, is on a 8 1/4″ x 5 3/4″ Naval Intelligence Division form as that radio channel was the only one still operating at that late date.


It bears a red “Secret!” stamp at upper-right and shows the time of receipt as 0056 hours, April 23, 1945. It reads in full:
“My Führer: General Koller today gave me a briefing on the basis of communications given to him by Colonel General Jodl and General Christian, according to which you had referred certain decisions to me and emphasized that I, in case negotiations would become necessary, would be in an easier position than you in Berlin. These views were so surprising and serious to me that I felt obligated to assume, in case by 2200 o’clock no answer is forthcoming, that you have lost your freedom of action. I shall then view the conditions of your decree as fulfilled and take action for the well being of Nation and Fatherland. You know what I feel for you in these most difficult hours of my life and I cannot express this in words. God protect you and allow you despite everything to come here as soon as possible. Your faithful Hermann Göring”. "https://www.warhistoryonline.com/?attachment_id=95952"
The document bears a long, clean vertical tear from the bottom to about 1″ below the top margin. It has been repaired with archival tape on verso, but an old repair has slightly affected five typed letters.

Here Göring, safely ensconced at Berchtesgaden, puts into play a secret June 29, 1941 decree in which Hitler ordered that should he become incapacitated, kidnapped, or killed, Göring was to assume the reins of power. Martin Bormann, who controlled access to Hitler and detested Göring, seized upon this message as evidence of “treason” and an attempt to launch a coup d’etat. While Walther Hewel, Joachim von Ribbentrop’s liaison, attempted to justify Göring’s action by saying the bunker’s communications system could fail at any time and thus sever the command structure, Goebbels reinforced Bormann’s argument by agreeing that it smelled of a coup.

According to Albert Speer’s account, this telegram, very likely the exact copy presented and read to Hitler, initiated a major crisis in Hitler’s psychological breakdown which precipitated the political disintegration of military command and control. Upon learning of other communiqués between Göring and other officers which referred to his invocation of Hitler’s secret testament, Hitler flew into a rage. On April 25, he sent a telegram to Göring telling him that he had committed “high treason” and gave him the option of resigning all of his offices in exchange for his life. Bormann also ordered the SS in Berchtesgaden to arrest Göring. On April 28, Hitler discovered that Heinrich Himmler was trying to discuss surrender terms with the western Allies. He ordered Himmler’s arrest and had Hermann Fegelein shot. Goring’s telegram and ensuing activities were remembered by Hitler until his end – his last will and testament dismissed Göring from all of his offices and expelled him from the Nazi Party.


In July, 1945 U.S. Army Capt. Benjamin M. Bradin entered the remains of the Führerbunker, gathered an armful of letters, telegrams and other “souvenirs” from a desktop and dumped files within, and brought them home to South Carolina where they rested unexamined in a bank vault until about 1958. At that time, Bradin’s son, future Col. James W. Bradin, was a student enrolled at The Citadel, the prestigious South Carolina military school. The younger Bradin was much impressed with his history professor, Dr. Robert Rieke, who was fluent in German and had served on the military staff of the Citadel’s president, Gen. Mark Clark. Bradin brought some of the Bormann papers to Rieke for examination and translation.


Rieke urged the young student to use their contents in his senior thesis, and at some point thereafter, the “Göring Telegram” and a Hitler printed invitation (included in this lot) were given to him as a token of thanks for his assistance. In 1978, Rieke gave the “Göring Telegram” and invitation to our consignor who had been his devoted friend, student, and confidante and would remain such until the end of the professor’s life. The telegram remained in his safety deposit box while our consignor was on a 22-year sabbatical as an independent scholar at Oxford.


Accompanying his gift, Rieke included a text briefly describing the telegram and how he obtained it, upon which he wrote our consignor’s name at the top as recipient, and noted: “The original telegram is in FRAGILE condition”. We, as well as our consignor, later contacted Col. James W. Bradin who recalled giving the telegram and printed invitation to Dr. Riecke while at the Citadel but declined any further involvement due to personal reasons. He also mentioned that he had shared copies of the documents with various “scholars”.


In the interim, controversial historian David Irving obtained copies of some of the Bormann notes, letters and documents and cited Bradin as being their source. These documents, all authentic, were used in Irving’s “Göring A Biography”. Provenance included with these items: Prof. Robert W. Rieke’s letter of provenance with his pencil notes at top; his son Peter Rieke’s notarized letter attesting to the fact that the handwriting on his father’s letter of provenance is authentic; our consignor’s very detailed notarized letter of provenance; a photo of Dr. Rieke, copy of an inscription in his book to our consignor, and the text of our consignor’s eulogy delivered at Rieke’s funeral. A most important document of great historical importance. Two pieces.


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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 08 Jul 2015, 04:14

Is this a AlexanderAutograph offering?


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Post by Patches » 10 Jul 2015, 02:33

Mark in Cleveland, Tn. wrote:Is this a AlexanderAutograph offering?
Yes it is:

http://auctions.alexautographs.com/auct ... o=+++82210

This story by "War History Online" is pretty much nothing more than a cut-and-paste job taken from the Alexander Autograph's auction description. Among other claims is this gem: "According to Albert Speer's account, this telegram, very likely the exact copy presented and read to Hitler, initiated a major crisis in Hitler's psychological breakdown which precipitated the political disintegration of military command and control."

This telegram? As if this same telegram that is up for auction was the very same one shown to Hitler by Bormann in the Berlin bunker?! 8O

I think not.

Besides, wasn't the communication sent from Göring by teleprinter to the Berlin bunker? I can see a teleprinter message perhaps being re-typed by staff in the bunker in the larger print for Hitler to read, but this?? Nonsense.

Konrad Kujau would be proud! :thumbsup:

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Post by BERLINVOSS » 10 Jul 2015, 20:46

This a fake then anybody know source where it came from the seller

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Post by Patches » 11 Jul 2015, 07:33

BERLINVOSS wrote:This a fake then anybody know source where it came from the seller
The "consignor" that provided these items to Alexander Autographs for sale is (conveniently) not named by them, so that person or firm is unknown. Perhaps the auction firm would make the consignor's information available to the buyer?

Meanwhile, the "provenance" mentioned could have been faked. Anyone serious about actually buying this would hopefully have the brains to have the provenance thoroughly investigated independently before spending such a large sum of money.

There is something else I have noticed about Alexander Autographs. I have seen items listed for auction with them that I suspect were provided for consignment by Charles Snyder of Snyder's Treasures. Snyder has a reputation as a notorious swindler selling faked high-end Nazi memorabilia (such as Eva Braun's jewelry, clothes, stained underwear, etc). Some of the items being sold by Snyder are suspiciously similar to items appearing on the Alexander Autographs web site. And since Alexander Autographs does not identify their consignors prior to the sale (and perhaps not at all), this can be another way for Snyder and others like him to anonymously unload their dubious wares on an otherwise unsuspecting collector community.

Buyer beware is the order of the day, especially when it comes to TR items!

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Post by hucks216 » 11 Jul 2015, 11:38

Is Alexander Autographs part of the same auction house that tried to sell the dubious Hitler desk set on behalf of Craig Gottlieb?

Either way, apparently that 'telegram' sold for $55,000.

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 11 Jul 2015, 22:42

Yes as to desk BS.Also try to sell fake concentration camp inmate uniforms .

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 11 Jul 2015, 22:43

Winning bid of this item backed out after hands on inspection!

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Post by Patches » 12 Jul 2015, 03:30

Mark in Cleveland, Tn. wrote:Winning bid of this item backed out after hands on inspection!
Good for them! :milsmile:

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Post by Patches » 12 Jul 2015, 08:47

To give Basil Panagopulos (the proprietor of Alexander Autographs) his due, he could perhaps claim that as the (presumably) middleman in these sales that he is not necessarily responsible if they are fakes. He could say that he was taken in and duped just like the buyer was, if something turned out to be faked. This would not necessarily absolve Panagopulos and his firm of legal liability though.

On the other hand, there has certainly been some controversy surrounding some of Alexander Autographs sales. For instance: http://wcstumpmilitaria.blogspot.com/20 ... chive.html. And not only should the buyers beware but so should the sellers: http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/17/59430.htm. So Panagopulos makes 9% of the sale amount and possibly more? No wonder the descriptions are so outlandishly embellished. Helps to justify the price.

Sad but true: A fool and his money are soon parted.

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Post by Geoff Walden » 13 Jul 2015, 18:15

Curious ... I offer this observation, for what it may be worth. Bernhard Frank (who placed Göring under arrest) shows this telegram in his book "Hitler, Göring and the Obersalzberg" (2nd Ed., 1989, Berchtesgaden, Anton Plenk, page 139). Frank cites the telegram and other documents from the "Bormann Dossier," page 776 in David Irving's biography of Göring (I have not seen this myself).

The copy shown in Frank's book seems to be almost identical, mis-typings and mis-spellings included, except for the markings in red, which are different. The "Geheim" stamp in particular is at a completely different angle. Also, the alignment of some of the entries in relation to the form lines is not exactly the same as on the one above. How to interpret this, I don't know.

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Post by PieterMarinus » 01 Aug 2015, 22:40

To me the above is a fake.

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