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African Mannerheim

Postby Juha Tompuri on 16 Aug 2012 20:47

The Finnish Broadcasting Company Yle has unveiled its controversy movie about national hero Marshall C.G.E. Mannerheim, to be released in September. The title role will be played by an African
http://yle.fi/uutiset/yles_new_take_on_ ... origin=rss



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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby J. Duncan on 17 Aug 2012 00:32

I did not know that Finland was in Africa. I thought it was in Scandinavia. Obviously, I didn't learn my geography too well. I hope it wins an oscar for best foreign film. We need more of this kind of honesty worldwide. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby phylo_roadking on 17 Aug 2012 00:59

The title role will be played by an African


So are most of the rest of the others, by the look of the trailer!
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Postby Ken S. on 17 Aug 2012 09:36

Poll made by finnish magazine (Iltalehti) tells that 90% of finnish people will not watch this movie. Director of the movie has also received lots of hatefull feedback.


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Postby Kingfish on 17 Aug 2012 12:39

Just film a documentary on Shaka Zulu using local talent and call it even.
I'm sure watching pasty white Finns dressed in loin cloth and armed with spears is convincing enough.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Mikko H. on 18 Aug 2012 16:02

Obviously the filmmakers were not trying to make a historically accurate presentation of Mannerheim's life. They want cast fresh light on Mannerheim's character from a novel point of view, and it remains to be seen how successful they will be. This is a piece of art and should be treated as such. (I'm a great fan of art for art's sake and science for science's sake.)

There has been a very lively brouhaha in Finland about this film during the last week or so, mostly whipped up by evening tabloids with no real news to sell the papers. I'm hugely disappointed how idiotic the public reaction has been in some parts! Making threats to the makers of this film??? Grow the **** up people! This goes to show how irrational we Finns can still be when the wars and Mannerheim are brought up.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Juha Tompuri on 18 Aug 2012 19:45

Mikko H. wrote:This is a piece of art and should be treated as such.
Have you seen it?

Mikko H. wrote:There has been a very lively brouhaha in Finland about this film during the last week or so, mostly whipped up by evening tabloids with no real news to sell the papers. I'm hugely disappointed how idiotic the public reaction has been in some parts! Making threats to the makers of this film??? Grow the **** up people! This goes to show how irrational we Finns can still be when the wars and Mannerheim are brought up.
AFAIK the "movie" budged was ca. 20 000€, of which the main character (all were locals) got 800€.
The movie was shot in five days.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Mikko H. on 19 Aug 2012 09:20

Have I seen it? Of course not! And neither has any of those who have been so quick to condemn it. That's the point! The time to form opinions is when the film comes out. Who knows, it might be very entertaining in its own way. :-)

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Seppo Jyrkinen on 19 Aug 2012 11:42

Publicity helps business. No matter if you are for or against it. Well known fact from Hollywood, 100 years ago.

As anonymus it is so easy to make marketing with big feelings. And if you join with it, you are marketing the product (Enkeli-Elina, Luovutetut, Salaiset aseveljet...).

YOU are the toy!
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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Juha Tompuri on 19 Aug 2012 12:34

Mikko H. wrote:Have I seen it? Of course not!
So, how can you then claim it being piece of art?

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Mikko H. on 19 Aug 2012 15:41

Juha, I say 'art' because this piece is (obviously) not meant as history, but as an artistic interpretation of Mannerheim's life. Therefore it's a piece of art; it remains for the great public to form their opinion on how good a piece of art it is.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Juha Tompuri on 19 Aug 2012 18:23

Mikko H. wrote:Juha, I say 'art' because this piece is (obviously) not meant as history, but as an artistic interpretation of Mannerheim's life. Therefore it's a piece of art; it remains for the great public to form their opinion on how good a piece of art it is.
Not everything that is not based on history, is automatically art.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Marcus Wendel on 19 Aug 2012 18:28

Juha Tompuri wrote:
Mikko H. wrote:Juha, I say 'art' because this piece is (obviously) not meant as history, but as an artistic interpretation of Mannerheim's life. Therefore it's a piece of art; it remains for the great public to form their opinion on how good a piece of art it is.
Not everything that is not based on history, is automatically art.


Actually movie making is per definition one of the visual arts, the word "art" does not automatically mean that it is good or for that matter bad.

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Re: African Mannerheim

Postby Marcus Wendel on 19 Aug 2012 19:14



As your link says: "a visual object or experience consciously created through an expression of skill or imagination" and "The various visual arts exist within a continuum that ranges from purely aesthetic purposes at one end to purely utilitarian purposes at the other". The quality aspect is not part of the definition and that is only correct as it is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

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