Questions about Der Untergang

[tribun3]

When "Operation Clausewitz" begins, the SS doctor argues with an SS General about staying in Berlim. The SS general, then authorizes de Doctor to stay.

Any idea who this SS general might be?

Thanks!

Joe

purely from resemblence i would say kaltenbrunner, but that's just a wild guess. anyone on this?

i also wondered what kind of uniform does speer wear the first time he arrives and meets himmler/fegelein, and the rest of that day. it seems darker than any other i have seen. it's probably just a standard nazi party uniform or something.

[Beppo Schmidt]

purely from resemblence i would say kaltenbrunner, but that's just a wild guess. anyone on this?

If we're talking about the same person, he sure doesn't look like Kaltenbrunner to me. Too corpulent.

[Potsdamerplatz]

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[Slard]

Mmhhh well...In the film they arent shown looting and raping but only encircling the surrendering Germans and then the Russians dance their Kassachok and drink Wodka. Then Hitler secretary looks a Russian into his drunken face and he is looking like an idiot and Traudl gets afraid. We have to assume that the Russian was evil...

What happens that time from Russian memoirs:

http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231914

Posts №13 & №7

[Slard]

and when Junge walked into the Russians, I saw some Russian soldiers were way too young, some even look like 14 or 15,which is quite impossible as the minimum age for the Red Army soldiers, even the forcibly recruited ones, was 16.

Many Russian troops had boys (though most of them were sent to cadet school in 1944) who were lost their family and decided to be in Army (usually as messengers in staff).

They called them as Sin Polka (Son of Regiment).

[tribun3]

we never got this cleared. anyone on who this is supposed to be. ss-obergruppenführer.

[Walter Model]

SS Obergruppenführer Tellermann (Veit Stübner)
But I don´t know, if this man existed.

[Sgt.Steiner]

From my readings of who was still fighting the Battle of Berlin, you'd have to assume that all the actors portraying SS Soldats in the halls, subways and city streets were mostly SS-LAH and SS-Nordland. Also with French and other foreign heroic volunteers.

[Christoph Awender]

From my readings of who was still fighting the Battle of Berlin, you'd have to assume that all the actors portraying SS Soldats in the halls, subways and city streets were mostly SS-LAH and SS-Nordland. Also with French and other foreign heroic volunteers.

Especially in Berlin there were dozens of administrative and command structures. Not every SS man belonged to a division of the field forces.

\Christoph

[tribun3]

isn't there a difference between fighting soldiers and and obergruppenfuhrer?

[qq_]

Who was that German who killed himself and his family with grenades when they were having dinner? I dont remember his name, but he killed himself because Hitler didnt allow him to leave the city and he was afraid that Soviets would capture him and his family.

Also, that tall man, the one who was guarding Hitlers room, what was his name?

Stumpfegger, Dr. Ludwig, born 11.07.1910 in Munich

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[Walter Model]

No no, not at all! It was SS Gruppenführer Ernst-Robert Grawitz. He was the top doctor in the SS. He was the one who suggested to Himmler in the summer of 1941 gas chambers as means to the `Final Solution,' i.e. the mass extermination of Jews. He knew of and kept an executive's eye on numerous other experiments with human guinea pigs at various concentration camps, for instance body resistance to freezing, jaundice, typhus (research done for I.G. Farben), and the drinkability of sea water. He committed suicide in 1945."

That tall man was SS Sturmbannführer Otto Günsche, Hitler´s SS adjutant.

[qq_]

No no, not at all! It was SS Gruppenführer Ernst-Robert Grawitz. He was the top doctor in the SS. He was the one who suggested to Himmler in the summer of 1941 gas chambers as means to the `Final Solution,' i.e. the mass extermination of Jews. He knew of and kept an executive's eye on numerous other experiments with human guinea pigs at various concentration camps, for instance body resistance to freezing, jaundice, typhus (research done for I.G. Farben), and the drinkability of sea water. He committed suicide in 1945."

That tall man was SS Sturmbannführer Otto Günsche, Hitler´s SS adjutant.

Günsche OK, but not Grawitz. look: http://www.der-untergang.de/who-is-who.php


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[Potsdamerplatz]

Sorry but Walter Model is right.

The man who killed himself and his family by detonating the grenandes is Ernst-Robert Grawitz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst-Robert_Grawitz

Best regards,

David

[qq_]

Sorry but Walter Model is right.

The man who killed himself and his family by detonating the grenandes is Ernst-Robert Grawitz.
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You're right...I was wrong. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Rotes_Kreuz

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