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Use of swastika by Nazi Party

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Use of swastika by Nazi Party

Postby Phil V on 27 Aug 2002 14:32

Who first introduced the swastika into the German Political arena?

I have narrowed it down to two :

- The Thule society

- The Ehrhardt Brigade who adorned there trucks and helmets with (often) inverted swastikas during the Kapp putsch.

Did these two organisations have any direct link?

Did any members of the Thule Society or the Ehrhardt Brigade go on to become significant personalities in the Third Reich?

Any information would be appreciated.

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Postby T.R.Searle on 27 Aug 2002 15:16

I just watched a documentry on the Thule Scociety and they seem to be the ones who started it all after there research on swastikas found around the world,from the land of the Vikings to the mountains of Tebet they have been found everywhere from all aspects of history.

Then Thule sold little swastika badges to the soldiers in WWI,soon they were painting them on planes and other things. Even in WWI the swastika became a symbol of Germanic supremecy and after that then came the Nazi party who either-

-adopted the swastika from Thule
-or Thule actualy founded the party.

The swastika can be counter clockwise or anti-clockwise. Hitler chose anti-clockwise becasue he said that in the north,the aryan homeland and seeing the swastika was the symbol of the sun, the sun roled from east to west.

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Postby Kurasier on 27 Aug 2002 15:33

HI,
the Thule Gesellschaft supported the DAP and the NSDAP.
About 1500 people were members, for example: Rudolph Heß, Alfred Rosenberg, Dietrich Eckart, JUlius Streicher ( publisher of Der Stürmer).
The Thule Gesellschaft had her own newspaper, Der Münchner Beobachter, which was later renamed in Völkischer Beobachter.
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Postby Gwynn Compton on 28 Aug 2002 06:40

I remember in a classics lecture earlier this year, we were shown a corinthian vase, and it showed a sinking ship, and swastika's were in the water... apparantly they were meant to represent star fish...

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Postby Luca on 29 Aug 2002 00:04

Is possible that this old symbol was named Ginfaxi ....for victory in combat?
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Postby Luca on 29 Aug 2002 00:29

Please, some Member can traslate?
Thank You very much.
Luca

NB = cause i no understend german i hope that this isn't off topic.
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Postby Luca on 29 Aug 2002 00:37

Searching in Google for Ginfaxi i ve look this page.
http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swasti09.htm
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Postby Luca on 29 Aug 2002 00:57

..and also this page.
Is maybe "a little bit" political but appare interessant.

http://www.infernalhorde.com/atopbihsf/swastika.html
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Postby Durand on 30 Aug 2002 02:23

Hallo,

The Reichshammerbund, a racist organisation, used the swastika as a battle symbol from 1912, predating the Thule Society by 6 years. I do not have any further information on the RB.

I am not certain of any direct links between the Ehrhardt Brigade and the Thule Society, but such links are certainly possible. The Thule Society was based in Munich and played a major role in the counter-revolutionary uprising in Munich against the Räterepublik in April 1919. The Ehrhardt Brigade was one of several Freikorps units sent to Munich to overthrow the Räterepublik.

As I understand it, Freikorps units did not begin using the swastika as a symbol until after the Baltic campaign in 1919. It seems that the swastika was used in some form of official emblem in Finland and Estonia and it's use was picked up by Freikorps veterans.

According to Hermann Ehrhardt, leader of Brigade Ehrhardt, his unit first started using the symbol in 1920 and he was not sure how it came about. The Brigade Ehrhardt had swastikas painted on their helmets when they marched into Berlin during the Kapp Putsch in March 1920. It has been said that Hitler saw the use of the swastika by the Brigade Ehrhardt and he adopted it for the NSDAP.

Hope this helps.

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Marching Song

Postby Durand on 30 Aug 2002 12:27

Hallo,

In the last post I forgot to add that when the Brigade Ehrhardt marched into berlin they sang the following:

Swastika on helmets,

Colors red-white-black,

The Ehrhardt Brigade,

Is marching to attack!

Unfortunately, I do not know the tune. Has anyone heard this song or know if the song is available somewhere on the internet?

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More on the Reichshammer Bundes

Postby Durand on 30 Aug 2002 13:26

Hallo,

I have found more information regarding the Reichshammerbund. It was founded by several people, but the driving personality behind it was Theodor Fritsch. Fritsch was a well-known figure in political circles in Germany during the first years of the 20th century. He strongly favored protection of tradesmen, was pro-monarchy, anti-capitalist, and a strong anti-semite. He was also a follower of Guido von List.
Von List is credited with uniting pan-Germanism with occult thinking. He was the grandfather of the aryan myth in the latter part of the 19th century and the swastika played a role in his theories. From this beginning, the swastika gained in popularity among adherents to völkisch ideas.

In the last years of the 19th century a few political partys developed on a platform of anti-semitism. Fritsch did not run as a candidate for these partys because he thought that the platform was too narrow for the partys to enjoy long term success. By 1902, Fritsch was trying to create a wider anti-semitic movement that was beyond a political party. He began publishing a journal called the Hammer. Within a few years, subscribers to the Hammer were loosely organised into Hammer discussion groups.

In 1912 there occurred a number of events in Germany that appeared to crises in the eyes of the Hammer groups and among fellow travelers. There had been a blow to German national prestige in a dispute over rights in Morocco and the conservatives took a pounding from Liberals in the German parliament. In response, the Hammer groups were formed into the Reichshammerbund, the organisation's constitution was written in February 1912 and the organisation formally came into being at Leipzig in May of that year. In order to become a member, one had to prove their Aryan credentials.

The Reichshammerbund was a fairly public organisation, but it had a secret twin. There were those in the völkisch movement who wanted to form their own anti-semitic lodges based loosely on the framework of the Masons. By 1911, the Hammer group in Madgeburg had formed the Wotan lodge, incorporating anti-semitic ideas and German pagan ritual. A short time later, Fritsch became the Grand Master of the Lodge and in March 1912 changed the name to the Germanenorden. The ritual of the Germanenorden included the use of the swastika symbol. Later in 1916, a swastika with a cross superimposed on it began to appear on the cover of the GO's newsletter. At the end of 1918, the Thule Society became the successor to the GO.

The foregoing is based on the Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. The subject is much more involved and I have tried to give a brief overview of the evolution of these groups.

I hope this helps.

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Postby Annelie on 30 Aug 2002 13:43

Durand:

A little information about Swastika but off track but none the less interesting.

At the time of Pearl Harbor, the top US Navy Command was called CINCUS, the shoulder patch of the US Army's 45th Infantry division was the
SWASTIKA and Hitler's private train was called "AMERICA". All three were soon changed for PR purposes.

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Postby AJK on 09 Sep 2002 22:17

Many years ago I saw a TV documentary in which it was claimed that a young Adolf Hitler saw the swastika on a stained-glass window of the church in which he was a choir boy (!!!), and remembered this years later when searching for a symbol for his NSDAP.

I cannot confirm the truth or otherwise of this claim, but certainly the swastika, in one form or another, has been around for a very long time, without any political connotations.

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Postby Durand on 10 Sep 2002 01:53

Hallo,

Hitler took singing lessons at the Benedictine Monastery at Lamback in 1897. I have read that there was/is a coat of arms containing a swastika above the archway leading into the Monastery.

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Postby rosey on 30 Sep 2002 19:03

Good point Durand, I remember doing some research awhile ago and found that the Knights Templer or Order of the New Templars. It can be found in the Wewelsburg Castle in Westphalia. The four points of the swastika represent Spirit, Energy, Matter and Turning. Ive seen a picture with the swastika in the center of the star of david if that's not ironic.
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