Kotor(Cattaro) Fortress - Torpedo type?

[Dili]

What kind of Torpedos had Boka Kortorska Fortress? any place with data about Austro Hungarian Torpedos?

I have found it had torpedos here:

http://www.val-navtika.net/val-134/zgod ... zgodovina/

Google translation of last paragraph:
"Austrians are all Boko Kotorsko from 1850 to 1860 under the leadership of Admiral LÁZÁR Mamula thoroughly consolidate and armed. Built or renovated the eight fortresses, leading to dozens of new guns and hundreds of minutes. Sam Boko the entrance to the fortress to protect two of 40 guns and mine barrages, which were also provided for the important Channel Kumbor and Chains. First World War in the hips pričakalo 3500 the crew of soldiers, 218 cannons trdnjavskih with gauges from 37 to 305 mm, 99 mitraljezov, 46 strong headlamps and nine torpedo tubes."

and below still operational at time of WW2 with Italian occupation:

http://www.sassaia.it/tenenteboffa.html refers "con stazione lanciasiluri a Kobila" about a land based Torpedo station at Kobila in Kotor. It is from an italian soldier there in occupation.

[Dili]

Could have been Whitehead:

The Germans were unaware of a torpedo battery near Oscarsborg's main gun battery at North Kaholmen Island. Built in 1901, it was equipped with three shore-mounted dual elevators firing the torpedoes via underwater tunnels. The torpedoes were Austro-Hungarian-built Whitehead torpedoes (in the torpedo factory of Fiume, Hungarian Kingdom, now Rijeka, Croatia) of the same turn-of-the-century vintage. These torpedoes had been practice-launched well over 200 times before being fired in anger, and no-one was certain if they would function or not.[8] They did. Blücher received two direct hits, one near her forward turret Anton and the second in the engine room, leaving her drifting out of control in the narrow fjord. The torpedoes sealed her fate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Blücher

[Dave Bender]

I believe that Whitehead was the only torpedo manufacturer for the KuK Marine.

[Natter]

Does anyone have a location of this Kobila torpedobattery (and more information on it's history and present state)?

[Dili]

Yes it is in Paluba forum here: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=6601.0

[Natter]

Yes it is in Paluba forum here: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=6601.0

Thank you. What language is this..??

[Natter]

Yes it is in Paluba forum here: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=6601.0

Thank you. What language is this..??

Found it by trial and error on Google Translate: Serbian...

[Natter]

Finally found the location as well: Very strange one for a torpedo battery...

[Dili]

Yes it is strange inside the bay.

[Natter]

Yes it is strange inside the bay.

Inside the bay isn't that strange, considering a harbourdefence, but I'm puzzled of the main torpedocourse and the area it could cover (I'm not familiar with the region: What potential enemies would approach from the east..??). It seems like a barrage for ships passing out to the Mediterranean sea.

[ludvig]

Hello Natter ,
Here is an old Austrian fortress map of Kriegshafen Castelnuvo :

http://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/jpg/p ... lnuovo.jpg

The Austrian built at :
Pula : 2 x torpedo bunkers
Castelnuovo : 2 x torpedo bunkers

At Castelnuvo the locations are at Kobila and Rose narrows and the sea entrance
is from south on the map by Seefort Mamula .

ludvig

[Natter]

Here is an old Austrian fortress map of Kriegshafen Castelnuvo :

Thank you! Very interesting... Seems there is more widespread historic use of onshore torpedobatteries than I knew. Certainly something I need to look more into

[ludvig]

Hello Natter ,
Here is another old Austrian fortress map with locations of coast artillery , booms ,
uncontrolled minefields and two torpedo batteries . The Kobila torpedo battery just
north of Rat Kobila .

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21298246@N04/2344333289/

ludvig

[Natter]

Here is another old Austrian fortress map with locations of coast artillery , booms ,
uncontrolled minefields and two torpedo batteries . The Kobila torpedo battery just
north of Rat Kobila

Thanks again! A little confusing as the position on this map doesn't match the position given in the serbian forum mentioned above (ref. my aerial photo), so probably different batteries from different eras...

That's a great WW1 photostream btw

[ludvig]

Hello Natter ,
This area is confusing because of the spelling of locations and a mix of
fortifications of :
Austrian :untill 1918
Yuguslavian : 1918 - 1941
Italian / German : 1941 - 1944
JNA ( Tito ) : 1944 - 1991
Crotatina / Montenegrian : 1991 >

Informations shows the Kobila torpedo battery was manned 1943 by the Italians and
by the Germans the battery in 1944 . The Roze torpedo battery demolished due the
a rock tunnel . Kobila is possibly demolised too .
too .

Here is nice pictture of the remaing torpedobunker at Brinoni Minor ( Pula )

http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com ... 365806.jpg

ludvig