"K K" marked M95 Mann. Steyr pouches..questions

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"K K" marked M95 Mann. Steyr pouches..questions

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Post by John G. » 25 Sep 2013, 17:19

Several years ago (about 20 now, I reconn...) I bought a large lot of M95 Steyr 2 section ammo pouches, when they were vitually unknown in the states.... mostly pairs (or close matching), in all sorts of differant materials from leather to canvas to combinations of both... several have the same "angle" cut on both sides.... I was told these are Cavalry (all in Lt. or Dk. brown leather)....
Question...are these Cavalry?
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2nd Question.... are the "K K" markings (KuK) on this Ersatz model for Kaiser Karl (1916-18) so WW 1 vintage? Picture isn't very clear, sorry...
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Re: "K K" marked M95 Mann. Steyr pouches..questions

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Post by Old Prohaska » 25 Sep 2013, 17:57

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but those are WWII-era Bulgarian pouches for the M95. A "k.k." marking would usually indicate issue to the k.k. Landwehr, but in this case, it's Bulgarian inspection mark. The cavalry was generally issued single pouches. Austro-Hungarian ersatz pouches were most often made from either sheet-tin or fiber board.

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Post by John G. » 25 Sep 2013, 20:49

Thanks very much... Not really bad news....expected "as much" but thought they were "Hungarian".... there were a few with the "K K" marking and since "Kaiser Karl" "made possible sense" (thinking Austro/Hungarian).... I thought I'd ask. (Thought they looked too new for WW1!)

I only paid 50 cents each for probably 100 pouches.... have sold about half over the past 20 years, so they don't owe me anything... guess I won't be retiring on that lot...
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Post by WilliSaenger » 09 Nov 2013, 16:52

k.k. (not in your case, but in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy) stood for kaiserlich-königlich and meant the part of the empire north of the river Leitha. k.u. stood for königlich-ungarisch and meant the part south of the Leitha (mostly Hungary). K.u.K. meant the whole empire.

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Post by history1 » 10 Nov 2013, 11:52

Ref. "k.k.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial-Royal

@WilliSaenger: IMO your describtion results in a wrong imagination. The Leitha - river is only a small part in the monarchy with a length of ~180 km and rans additionally in a graph (bend) around Lake Neusiedl.
As the forum rules requests you may provide your source.

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Post by WilliSaenger » 16 Nov 2013, 17:11

It is common knowledge, that the parts of the Empire were called "Cisleithanien" and "Transleithanien". In German: "Diesseits der Leitha" and "Jenseits der Leitha". Cisleithanien was the (German) k.k-part, Transleithanien the (Hungaryan) k.u.-part.

But to serve the "forum rules", here is one source. Even if it's common knowledge.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisleithanien

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Post by history1 » 17 Nov 2013, 11:57

As we can see in the link your definition doesn´t geographical fit, even if you call it common knowledge.
In pink colour "Cisleithanien" = this side of the Leitha river - in green colour "Transleithanien" = the other side of the Leitha river.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... map_de.svg

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Re: "K K" marked M95 Mann. Steyr pouches..questions

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Post by WilliSaenger » 18 Nov 2013, 17:24

I am really not in the mood to discuss this any longer.

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