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Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

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Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby KIA on 20 Apr 2009 16:59

Hi

Just wondering if anyone can reveal anything more about the uniform and badges/ribbons in these photo.
I know the first two are pre-WW1 Austro-Hungarian.

I believe the belt buckle in this first photo is an officer's belt buckle.
Do the collar badges reveal the rank?
What about the ribbon attached to the jacket?

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How about these collar badges?
Do the collar badges reveal the rank?
Note that unlike the previous uniform, the breast pockets do not feature external buttons.

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This is either pre-WW1 or WW1 Austro-Hungarian.
Can you identify what kind of headgear it is or to what type of unit wore these?
The man appeared to belong to a military kitchen.

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This is also either pre-WW1 or WW1 Austro-Hungarian.
What can we say about the rank/type of unit? etc

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Cheers

KIA

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Old Prohaska on 17 Jul 2009 00:43

First Picture:

Celluloid collar star = gefreiter
The belt buckle is the 1888 model for enlisted personnel (in use at the start of WWI).
I'm not sure about the ribbon, but it's probably attached to whistle.

Second Picture:

The collar insignia is specialist badge rather that rank. It's hard to make out, it might be for a mortar crew.
The early war standard was for concealed tunic buttons, but varied widely during the war.

Third picture:

Looks like the red cavalry field cap (even the cavalry needed cooks!). The cap by itself doesn't give much of a clue as to rank, but you don't often find officers cooking!

Fourth picture:

Looks to be an infantrist (private) in walking out dress, with private purchase cap and dress bayonet. He's wear the green Schutzschnur, indicating he's earned his marksmanship qualification. He seems very well-to-do for an average soldier.

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby starkcolono on 23 Jul 2009 04:05

can you also identify the rank in this picture?

its the father of my grandfather
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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Old Prohaska on 28 Jul 2009 17:27

Hard to tell--(based on k.u.k ranks) if it's a gold star on silver lace, he'd be a major. If it's a silver star on gold lace, he'd be a generalmajor. Based on all the medals, I'd bet generalmajor.

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby KIA on 27 Oct 2011 03:53

Old Prohaska wrote:First Picture:

Celluloid collar star = gefreiter
The belt buckle is the 1888 model for enlisted personnel (in use at the start of WWI).
I'm not sure about the ribbon, but it's probably attached to whistle.

Second Picture:

The collar insignia is specialist badge rather that rank. It's hard to make out, it might be for a mortar crew.
The early war standard was for concealed tunic buttons, but varied widely during the war.

Third picture:

Looks like the red cavalry field cap (even the cavalry needed cooks!). The cap by itself doesn't give much of a clue as to rank, but you don't often find officers cooking!

Fourth picture:

Looks to be an infantrist (private) in walking out dress, with private purchase cap and dress bayonet. He's wear the green Schutzschnur, indicating he's earned his marksmanship qualification. He seems very well-to-do for an average soldier.

-Old Prohaska


It's been over 2 years but I now see that my post did end up getting answered! Just want to say thanks!

Your insight in to the photos is quite remarkable, especially your comment on the final photo in that "he seems very well-to-do for an average soldier". The man is my paternal great grandfather and he was exactly a well to do individual (or at least considered himself to be) from what we know of him (the top photo is of him as well).

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby linderesa on 18 Jan 2012 20:48

The 4th picture above shows the exact same uniform my grandfather wore in a photo from around 1919, he was an ethnic German living in Mrzovic Croatia which was then part of the A-H empire. My mother told me it was a "Yugoslavian" Sunday/dress uniform.

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Rolf1955 on 24 May 2012 21:55

The fourth picture above shows exactly the same uniform that my grandfather wore in a photo around 1914, was an ethnic German born in Chemnitz (Germany), who fought in the First World War as a gunner and a part of the Empire A. H. I had the wonderful opportunity of live and talk to him, he didn't like to speak of war and when did almost always ended up crying. According to the few information that I have the end of the war surprised him on the Russian front, had to walk for 4 months at night to coming home. By the time his parents thought that he had died. I attached the photo.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Hofmann Pohle_Soldado.jpg
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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Nikolaus on 26 May 2012 10:52

May be kappenabzeichen: 1. K. K. Standschutzen (Italien front) and 2. Isonzo-Armee.1915
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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Rolf1955 on 30 May 2012 13:56

Dear Nikolaus: I’m so glad for your tremendous contribution to find my roots, the metal decoration that you show it seems be the same as using my grandfather in his cap, I will investigate more about Isonzo-Armee. 1915. And more about 1. K. K. Standschutzen (Italian front) as you mention. Thank you very much.

Rolf Hofmann

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Rolf1955 on 30 May 2012 14:36

Dear Nikolaus: can you determinate wich are the division of my grandfather, in his cap is posible see something like "E II" or similar.

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Nikolaus on 30 May 2012 15:15

Rolf1955 wrote:Dear Nikolaus: can you determinate wich are the division of my grandfather, in his cap is posible see something like "E II" or similar.


This is cockade '
FJ1' and don't say about division.

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Re: Can you identify the rank/badges in these photos?

Postby Rolf1955 on 30 May 2012 20:22

OK, will check about this cockade. Thank you very much.

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