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Terry Duncan wrote: Even then Fay blamed Austria most for the war - as do I.

Terry Duncan wrote: Even then Fay blamed Austria most for the war - as do I.
Here is what Fay said about Austria:
"Austria was more responsible for the immediate origin of the war than any other Power.
From his own words, it appears to me that Fay is putting most of the blame on Russia, and, by extension, France and England.
It is true that would have hardly embarked on his gambler's policy unless he had been assured that Germany would fulfil the obligations of the alliance, and to this extent Germany must share the great responsibility of Austria.
Germany must share the great responsibility of Austria.
Austria was more responsible for the immediate origin of the war than any other Power.




You first mentioned Austria, but this is not necessarily off-topic.
With all due respect to Sydney Bradshaw Fay, I do not agree with him in everything.
So who, according to Fay, is mostly responsible? Fay hedges his bets - perhaps due to political and/or career considerations.
According to me (as you know), the responsibility lies with a handful of influential British statesmen who used the Franco-Russian alliance to act upon their "misreading" of German ambitions.

Terry Duncan wrote:. . . on the original History Channel site you started by blaming Russia and France most, the change to blaming Britain can far later.


But this was before I had studied the diplomacy of king Edward VII - particularly his telling tete-a-tetes with Leon Gambetta while still Prince of Wales.
Part of the problem with "modern" historians is that they often fail to mention the Isvolsky Correspondence even though much of this is available in the original Russian script, handwritten by Isvolsky.
At the same time they downplay or minimize the Russian general mobilization,
At the same time they downplay or minimize the Russian general mobilization
with the exception of Niall Ferguson
do not measure up to the thoroughness of Fay
More recently discovered documents, moreover, do not substantially alter the picture produced by the earlier official release of diplomatic documents,

favedave wrote:Blaming the Russians for doing exactly as they were expected to do in this situation (Austria and Serbia at war) a full month before the mobilization took place, and making no attempts (other than last minute bullying by the Kaiser) to forestall Russia's expected reaction, puts the blame squarely on Franz Josef for doing it anyway and the Kaiser for giving his full support to Vienna on the 6th of July.

You have apparently forgotten that when Sasonov first learned of the Austrian ultimatum, his response was: “This means a European war!”
This was on the 24th of July when Serbia had not yet replied.
At a second Ministerial Council on July 25th, it was further decided to cancel all scheduled military maneuvers throughout Russia and to recall troops from their summer camps.
Sasonov's plan for partial mobilization was changed because it would interfere with the anticipated general mobilization against Germany.
While it was still possible to doubt whether the Franco-Russian Alliance could be regarded as unshakeable, given the two totally different forms of government no doubt could arise as to the unity and solidity of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Their treaty of alliance was regularly renewed and officially published. Only 6 years before, the head of the Triple Alliance had solemnly assured Austria-Hungary, at the time of the annexation of Bosnia, that the faithful knight in shining armour would do his duty.
What purpose then would a partial mobilisation against Austria-Hungary only serve? A threat, not supported by a convincing display of force, must tempt them to disregard it. A partial mobilisation must result in precisely the opposite result of that intended.


"The fact is, you want war and you have burned your bridges. You are setting Europe on fire!'
You've got your quotes mixed up. The above was Sasonov's reaction to Austria's dow
In his reports of the interview Szápáry said that Sazonov listened to him ‘relatively calmly’ and gave an impression ‘more of disheartenment than of excitement’, but his quotations of what Sazonov actually said produce the opposite effect. The stiffest demands of the ultimatum had roused him to protest:
I know what it is. You mean to make war on Serbia. . . . You are setting fire to Europe. It is a great responsibility that you are assuming, you will see the impression that it will make here and in London and Paris and perhaps elsewhere. It will be regarded as an unjustifiable aggression. . . Why was Serbia given no chance to speak and why the form of an ultimatum? The monarchic idea has got nothing to do with it. . . . The fact is you mean war and you have burnt your bridges. . . . One sees how peace loving you are, seeing that you set fire to Europe.

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