The Gindrinker's Line

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The Gindrinker's Line

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Post by Peter H » 13 Feb 2008, 15:30

Hong Kong's mini-Maginot Line:

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/H/o/Hong_Kong.htm
Maltby knew the frontier was indefensible with just three battalions, and planned to make the Gin Drinker's Line (named for Gin Drinker's Bay, which anchored one end) his main line of resistance on the mainland.

38 Division was well-equipped with bridging equipment, and it took the Japanese just two days to reach the Gin Drinker's Line in spite of the demolitions. Here the British hoped to hold for some time, but the Third Battalion, 228 Regiment drove the Royal Scots out of the Shing Mun redoubt in an unauthorized night attack. In an illustration of Japanese tactical inflexibility of the kind that would prove fatal later in the war, Sakai chastised the commander of the battalion for acting without orders, and ordered the Third Battalion to retreat from Shing Mun! The order was disobeyed, and Sakai reluctantly accepted the fait accompli. However, Sakai's order did prevent Third Battalion from immediately exploiting its success, and the Royal Scots were able to reform their line along Golden Hill.

Rumors spread among the Indian troops, who themselves fought very well throughout the battle, that the Scots had broken and fled in panic from the Shing Mung redoubt. This so stung the Scots that they fought ferociously when the Japanese tried to force Golden Hill, and they counterattacked against seemingly impossible odds after being forced to retreat from the position. The counterattack was momentarily successful, but fresh Japanese troops soon took the position from the exhausted Scots for good.

The loss of Golden Hill cut the supply route for the Punjabis and Rajputs and unhinged the Gin Drinker's Line, and by 13 December the British were forced to evacuate their remaining forces to Victoria Island.



More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Drinkers_Line
Gin Drinkers Line (Chinese: 醉酒灣防線) or Gin Drinker's Line was a British military defence line against Japanese invasion in Hong Kong, 1941. Bunkers, concrete fortified machine gun posts, trenches and artillery batteries were built along the line. Its name came from Gin Drinkers Bay, a bay nearby in Kwai Chung, Hong Kong. With construction was started in 1936, it is linked to the several peaks between New Kowloon and New Territories.

The concept came from the Maginot Line in France. The British believed the line could protect the colony from Japanese invasion for at least six months and even called it the "Oriental Maginot Line". The Japanese generals also believed the line would stop their advance until the scouts found out the line was very weak. For example, only 30 soldiers were defending a bunker with a capacity of 120 soldiers. Similar to the Maginot Line, the Gin Drinkers Line was generally considered to be a complete failure. The line and the whole of Kowloon were abandoned by the British troops in just two days.

There are some remains of bunkers near Shing Mun Reservoir, with the defence lines named after London roads, for example, Charing Cross to provide familiarity to the soldiers of the Middlesex regiment. One of the Japanese invasion forces broke the defence line here.

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Post by Peter H » 13 Feb 2008, 15:38

Photos of the Shing Mun Redoubt nowadays:

http://www.geocities.com/jeffyam/m_shmun_main.htm



Japanese photo from 1941 of a destroyed British pillbox

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Post by Peter H » 13 Feb 2008, 15:40

The frontline:

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This looks like a relic from 1905.Heavy gun

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Post by Peter H » 14 Feb 2008, 08:56

Interesting that the 38th Division later ended up on Guadalcanal,the Solomons.


Maltby's Operations in Hong Kong,1948, can be found online here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/UK/L ... /38190.pdf

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Post by Peter H » 14 Feb 2008, 09:33

The Royal Scots scapegoated later for the fall of Golden Hill:

From Not the Slightest Chance ,Tony Banham


Willis,the East Brigade Commander:

I was none too happy re the state of discipline of the Battalion as exemplified by:

(a)The numbers of court martials,some of them on officers.
(b)The high rate of veneral disease.
(c)The high percentage of malaria..

During this fighting,men of the Royal Scots are found drinking in Wai Chai on the island...

Maltby,postwar

"White was a bad CO.I suggested to Wallis that he should relieve him of command of the battalion...His adjutant was useless,as was also his second in command..."However Maltby blamed the rot on White's predecessor,McDougall:"I only saw Lt Colonel for a few weeks.He was sodden with gin and completely ruined his Battalion."...Captain Jones was of course an utterly useless Company Commander.(A Company commander "Potato" Jones)

Banham relates that similar clams of drunkenness were levelled against the Canadians as well.While isolated cases occurred the claim appears unjustified.

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Post by Fatboy Coxy » 10 Jun 2010, 06:54

A little bit about the poor performance of the Royal Scots is here

"As for the 2nd Royal Scots, they had certainly been abroad too long and were not as efficient as they should have been. Many of their best NCOs had been sent home at the beginning of the war in 1939 and in 1941 the strength of the Battalion had been seriously depleted by malaria and venereal disease. There had also been an unusual number of courts martial in the Battalion, some of them on Officers. While individuals fought with immense bravery and determination, the battle was to expose serious weaknesses in the leadership of the Battalion, which were to have terrible consequences on the outcome."

"The terrain comprised steep hills, deep-water bays, a busy city and scattered islands. The defence plan was to fight delaying actions on the mainland, in the New Territories and Kowloon, and then to withdraw to defend the Island of Hong Kong. Key to the mainland actions was “The Gin Drinker’s Line” so called because the western end of this defensive line began at Gindrinker’s Bay. Along this line were a number of strong points the pivotal one being the Shing Mun Redoubt held by the elements of 2nd Royal Scots.

The Japanese crossed the border into the New Territories on 8th December 1941 at the same time launching devastating air attacks. Two days later the undermanned and professionally poorly defended Shin Mun Redoubt fell. The Royal Scots withdrew to Golden Hill and on the 11th December, after a major battle in which 29 Royal Scots were killed, and amidst numerous individual acts of considerable bravery, the Battalion were forced off Golden Hill, initially in some disarray. Withdrawal from the mainland was inevitable. Many of the defenders, especially the men of the Middlesex Regiment, who fought with enormous tenacity, attributed the withdrawal to the poor performance of the Royal Scots. Meanwhile, heavy air raids, acts of sabotage, rioting and looting continued."

http://www.scotsatwar.org.uk/printerv/battleofhk.htm

Maltby must have been furious at the inept loss of the Shin Mun redoubt. there was an expectation of holding this line for several days. Far from being what should have been his best unit, they appear to have been his worse!

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Re: The Gindrinker's Line

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Post by Fatboy Coxy » 05 Jul 2010, 22:24

Reading from Peter's posted link here
Construction of the line had begun in 1937, following the Shanghai Incident, and continued for two years.

and

Maltby knew the frontier was indefensible with just three battalions, and planned to make the Gin Drinkers Line his main line of resistance on the mainland. Even this shorter line was badly undermanned. A staff study in 1937 estimated that two divisions (18 battalions with a full complement of supporting arms) would be required to hold the Gin Drinkers Line, but Maltby could put only three battalions on the line.

I assume the plan was one of defending against Japanese agression, or was it for both them and the Chinese. But I wonder as to the validity of the plan of defence. Hong Kong had a huge civilian population, which it was incapable to feeding itself, being heavily dependant on food imports from the Chinese mainland. If war came, a seige or any blockade of supplies would quickly bring about starvation and surrender. Adding two divisions worth of troops, plus support merely adds another 35,000 - 40,000 mouths to feed.

If war was with China, then the sea lanes would remain open owing to the Royal Navy's supremecy, but thats a LOT of supplies need shipping in, and from where!

If war was with Japan, then even the sea lanes are closed, and the only hope is hold out awaiting a Chinese lifting of any Japanese seige.

Having said that, Britains dilemma was how to project an interest in defending Hong Kong, in such a volatile area of the world, and so far away from any support.

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Re: The Gindrinker's Line

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Post by AllanThomson » 25 Jan 2017, 02:05

Some of the comments here regarding the Royal Scots come across as uniformed, ignorant and defamatory. In particular the slanderous and unjustified statement that the Royal Scots were somehow Maltby's worst troops. Quiet frankly it is sickening to hear people continuing to peddle myths when the men in question are no longer here to defend themselves - still that's typical of keyboard warriors.

Furthermore there is no recognition of the fact that the men in the Shing Mun Redoubt were only a small part of the battalion and the action of the shing mun redoubt was only a very small portion of the fighting that the Royal Scots were engaged in.

Little mention has been made of the fact the Royal Scots were in many cases heavily hit by Malaria and their positions were undermanned to start with.

Having been there myself and seen the ground around plus the knowledge of those who were in the area, I know that the already inadequately number of men in A Coy were also at a disadvantage as the redoubt was attacked from higher ground and in a direction it was not intended to be defended from. Furthermore in addition to the mortarfire and close quarter grenading by the Japanese troops the redoubt also came under friendly fire from British Artilliary.

My Grandfather was with D Coy 2nd Battalion Royal Scots and made the bayonet charge with Cpt Pinkerton back up Golden Hill for a second time after the battalion was shelled and mortared off it. Pinkerton recieved the Military Cross (Do you have one "Steve"?) and some felt he should have had the VC. After clearing the Japanese troops off the hill they held it with little more than shell scrapes and inadequate trenches for as long as possible whilst being shelled and mortared and machine gunned to bits plus losing their ammunition from their covoys due to their lorries being set on fire by fifth columnists.

Following this on the Island the battalion later engaged the enemy close up in actions including several bayonet charges around the Wong Nai Chung gap, Jardine's Lookout, Mt Cameron, Mt Nicholson and around Victoria Peak. My Grandfather on being a runner from HQ to outlying companies in the later stages of the fighting was jumped by a Japanese soldier on approaching an overrun position and killed him by strangling him with the strap off his rifle.

As for the Middlesex, you won't be aware of this but as a machine gun regiment they were initially trained by the Royal Scots - I know this because my Father was told by Reg Shore who was Middlesex and who was first friends with my Grandfather when he trained them in machine gun use.

And although it's often claimed that many of the experienced men were stripped out to serve in Europe my Grandfather had already had extensive experience as a soldier prior to Hong Kong including experiences under fire whilst in India.

Maltby's account centres around the issues with elements of A Coy at the Redoubt and does little to recognise the hard fighting done on Golden Hill by D Coy and by the whole Battalion on the Island.

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