Eugen Pinak wrote:ChristopherPerrien wrote:Eugen Pinak wrote:
Who told you, that IJN couldn't fill out one replacement carrier air group after Coral Sea? They could and they did. The problem was, that IJN top brass saw no need for "Zuikaku" at Midway.
Find me a source that says they had the Zuikaku air group
reconstituted by 27May1942, the sailing date for the 1st Airfleet for operation MO, or even 30May1942, the date the mighty USS Yorktown, sailed from Pearl Harbor to settle WWII
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I strongly advise you to read the sources you quote carefully - it saves a lot of embarrassment
I had read the source and the notes. Your quote from the same source meant nothing as it reflected future planning for an operation(or part of the Aleutian operation) which happened in late June, after the Zuikaku became operational again. Did the Zuikaku sail on that date or even May30 for that "late june" op? No, She left for that June 11 or 15 depending how you look at it.
IMO- June 10-11, I'll call the Zuikaku "operational". Hashirajima is the key here.
Actions carry a-lot more weight than "future planning".
11 June 1942:
ZUIKAKU departs Kure.
14 June 1942:
Arrives at Hashirajima anchorage.
15 June 1942:
Departs Hashirajima for Ominato to participate in the third phase of the Aleutian Operations.
While the IJN, may not have needed another carrier at MIdway,,,
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I don't think the IJN or any navy in
May or June 1942 on planet Earth was in the business of letting a fully operational air-craft carrier sit in a depot port for a month/3 weeks or even one extra day, simply because it was not needed at one place on a particular day. By golly there must not had been a World War happening anywhere else on June 4 1942, who needs a spare carrier ?
and aircrew
I guess we can bring this up with Tully, and see what he thinks. Not meaning to discount your opinion or anything , as I have seen you over there and I realize you have a-lot of knowledge on this area.
As to carrier pilots and aircrew
I think, you should tell it to the Marines... sorry, to the pilots of IJN "Tainan" and "Takao" air groups, send to fly from the carriers without any "constant and up to date training" (only short refresher training was provided), or you can tell this to the pilots of the 6th AG, sent to fly from "Junyo" in combat after no carrier training at all
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Your various one-oft's, non-standard, and extreme circumstance examples, are the exceptions that prove the rule so to speak. Highly inadvisable stuff for blue water carrier operations unless you don't want(or don't care) to see your planes and pilots again or have them crashing on landing, on a carrier. Too many carrier pilots have spoken how difficult carrier ops are and of "losing their edge" without constant training to discount my first quote, as it was a "transliteration?"/amalgamation of the same.
You might as well disprove "Bombers did not operate on carriers" , by mentioning the Doolittle raid.