Divisional daily supply requirements for various nations
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Urmel,
From what I read, PLUTO never really worked and it was shut down completely in October or November 1944. In the book entitled "Logistical Support of the Armies Vol II" by Ruppenthal, page 198, footnote 28, it states that PLUTO was a complete failure and Brigadier Bond recommended the abandonment of the project in November of 1944. The footnote is too long for me to type in.
Mike
From what I read, PLUTO never really worked and it was shut down completely in October or November 1944. In the book entitled "Logistical Support of the Armies Vol II" by Ruppenthal, page 198, footnote 28, it states that PLUTO was a complete failure and Brigadier Bond recommended the abandonment of the project in November of 1944. The footnote is too long for me to type in.
Mike
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I'm surprised to hear that, but it doesn't change my point. Here's some info about PLUTO that contradicts that. Of course, 300t/d is only about 9,000t/mth, and therefore nowhere near enough to feed the army, so I can see why by November 44 the whole thing was seen as a failure.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GSED ... 945&f=true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pluto - see below:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GSED ... 945&f=true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pluto - see below:
In January 1945, 305 tonnes (300 long tons) of fuel was pumped to France per day, which increased tenfold to 3,048 tonnes (3,000 long tons) per day in March, and eventually to 4,000 tons (almost 1,000,000 Imperial gallons) per day. In total, over 781 000 m³ (equal to a cube with 92 metre long sides or over 172 million imperial gallons) of gasoline had been pumped to the Allied forces in Europe by VE day, providing a critical supply of fuel until a more permanent arrangement was made, although the pipeline remained in operation for some time after.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41
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Urmel,
What is your point? Not being a smart-ass, but what are you trying to tell us.
Mike
What is your point? Not being a smart-ass, but what are you trying to tell us.
Mike
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My point is that 60.5kt/mth shouldn't be a problem, but now I note you are talking about that per day. That seems implausible.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41
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Urmel,
I also went back to check the PLUTO note in the book entitled "Logistical Support of the Armies Vol II" I now believe he is only writing about the two pipelines (later a third) that went to Cherbourg and not all the pipelines. Maybe the distance from England to Cherbourg was too great? He mentions 140 tons of fuel being delivered per day and that was insignificant. Apparently Cherbourg could handle 405 to 500 tons per hour, this amount was off loaded from ships. I don't know if they could store all of that, but IIRC pipelines were laid from Cherbourg inland.
Mike
I also went back to check the PLUTO note in the book entitled "Logistical Support of the Armies Vol II" I now believe he is only writing about the two pipelines (later a third) that went to Cherbourg and not all the pipelines. Maybe the distance from England to Cherbourg was too great? He mentions 140 tons of fuel being delivered per day and that was insignificant. Apparently Cherbourg could handle 405 to 500 tons per hour, this amount was off loaded from ships. I don't know if they could store all of that, but IIRC pipelines were laid from Cherbourg inland.
Mike
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Ran across a brief two page description of building the pipeline across France. Can recall any dates in it, but it implied it took months to move in stages the discharge head from the July/August position @ the Normandy depots to eastern France.
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Carl,
I think some of the dates and distances are in Vol II by Ruppenthal.
Mike
I think some of the dates and distances are in Vol II by Ruppenthal.
Mike