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Crazy and strange facts about World War II

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby David W on 27 Feb 2011 14:19

In May of 1942 the Luftwaffe made an unsuccessful bombing attack upon the Radar Establishment at Langton Matravers in Dorset. (my old childhood home). It wasn't until 1961 that the story behind that raid came out.
The choirmaster of the Langton Parish Church found two men reading the Durnford School memorial wall plaques. The men explained that for six years they had sat at morning prayers staring at the plaques, and had learnt the wording off by heart during long & dull sermons!
The men were brothers, sons of a German Baron, and had attended the school in the 1920's. The school was at the time one of the best in the country and had students from all over the world.
The brothers had then joined the Luftwaffe, and had risen to the rank of pilots. In 1942 were entrusted with the task of wiping out the village in which it was known that the radar scientists were working. They decided that they could not do this, as they had been so happy in Langton Matravers. They instructed the pilot of the third plane in the mission to drop his bombs immediately in line with theirs.
After aiming their sticks of bombs so as to just miss Leeson House the quarters, and the rest of the village, the other pilot followed suit. When they returned, they reported the Radar establishment wiped out along with the quarters.
This incredible story was reluctantly told, as the brothers were just passing through the village on a nostalgic journey, and it seems very unlikely that it was made up.
This loyalty to The Durnford Public School & the village, probably saved countless lives that night.

Taken & paraphrased from "Langton Matravers at war", by Jim Bradford & Reg saville.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 11 Mar 2011 02:14

One of the more unusual fatal accidents in the USAAF occurred to the 545 Bomb Squadron on the night of the 18th of April 1944. Three NCOs were crossing the East-West runway of the Stradishall RAF base on bicycles after returning from an evening pass, when they were struck by a Short Stirling bomber of the 1657 Conversion Unit, and were all killed.

http://www.sweffling.freeserve.co.uk/glemham.htm

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 17 Aug 2011 05:31

Alois Elias was the Prime Minister of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia between April 1939 to September 1941. Elias gave support to the Czech underground, which led to an event which became known as the "Sandwich Affair".

In September 1941, Elias decided to poison several Czech journalists who were cooperating with the German occupiers. Elias took some sandwiches to his urologist, who laced them with botulism toxin, myobacterium tuberculosis and Rickettsia bacteria. Although Elias handled the sandwiches, he did not fall ill.

On September 18, the poisoned sandwiches were served at a function in the Government Office to the invited journalists. Karel Laznovsky, editor of the "Czech Word", died, while other journalists, including Jaroslav Kremen and Emanuel Vajtauer, fell ill.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby amateur on 27 Nov 2011 13:26

In the first British air attack on a mainland German population centre, 36 RAF planes bombed the rail-yards of Monchen-Gladbach, near Dusseldorf, on May 10, 1940. The raid killed just one person ... an Englishwoman! Three RAF bombers were lost.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/facts.html#lesser_known_1939 :o

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 03 May 2012 01:25

The last military conflict on British soil occurred on the 27th of September 1940, when members of the London Irish Rifles exchanged fire with the crew of a downed Ju-88 bomber - the "Battle of Graveney Marsh":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7956015/Kent-battle-between-German-bomber-crew-and-British-soldiers-marked-after-70-years.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315427/Battle-Graveney-Marsh-conflict-finally-commemorated.html

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby phylo_roadking on 03 May 2012 02:16

The last military conflict on British soil occurred on the 27th of September 1940, when members of the London Irish Rifles exchanged fire with the crew of a downed Ju-88 bomber - the "Battle of Graveney Marsh":


Graham...incorrect ;)

On the night of April 16th 1943...


...12 FW109 A4's painted with lampblack were insinuated into the bomber stream returning from Germany. This squadron had previously made two very successful intruder attacks on London, but on THIS occasion although they all dropped their bombs, no casualties were caused, and only minor damage to.... a sewage works and a children's playground!

HOWEVER - they were VERY quickly painted on radar and nightfighters tasked to them, and in the ensuing melee over the captial, navigation suffered and a number who crossed the coast OF THE THAMES ESTUARY from North to South...thought they were actually crossing the CHANNEL!!! and found themselves flying over Kent with nearly empty tanks....

On that night the Watch Officer at West Malling, a Ft. Lt. Barry, heard a crash nearby as a first of these stragglers fell out of the sky into a nearby orchard - but this wasn't found until the next morning. While trying however to find out what the noise was, a single engined aircraft was heard approaching the field, and he ordered the runway lights on, as apart from the night fighters, West Malling was ready to receive damaged or low-on-fuel bombers returning from the continent. Instead, a black single-engined fighter rolled up RIGHT to the control block, under the apronm floods, and the pilot started shouting for "his" groundcrew....in German, which they couldn't hear over the noise of his engine. They shouted back, but HE couldn't hear THEM either!....

At this point a field patrol Beaverette armoured car approached, and seeing the German crosses faintly outlined under the paint, the 'car's gunner, A/C Sharlock, jumped out and pushed the rudder of the sircraft right over to stop the pilot making a run for it! The pilot got out of the cockpit....and finally realised where he was!

BUT....

"...Whilst those at the scene were digesting what had just happened, events began to take an even more dramatic, and just as unbelieveable, turn. As he was on the telephone making a further report to Group, Lt. Barry heard the sound of ANOTHER aircraft making a final approach. No sooner had this aircraft touched down, welcomed by the blazing flare path than he saw Williams and Sharlock once more gunning their Beaverette, racing into action.

As the armoured car dashed around the airfield perimeter to head off the new arrival Sharlock, still perched in the Beaverette's turret, realised when just 20 yards distant that indeed the unbelieveable was happening. In front of them was yet another FW190. This time there was no suprise, as the aircraft had already been given to Control as being a hostile.

Suddenly, and no dobt realising his error, and eager not to suffer the same fate as Bechtold, this pilot turned his aircraft and started to set off across the airfield pushing the throttles wide open. Williams took up the pursuit and at the same time Sharlock opened fire with the twin-mounted Vickers "K" type machineguns. Still standing in the distant Watch Office and watching with increasing awe, Lt. Barry could clearly hear the staccato bark of these light machineguns in action.

Sharlock's aim was dead on target. His long burst, fired from a range of 15 to 20 yards, poured into the German aircraft. He later recalled that he could see a small fire had broken out in the rear of the cockpit, but that despite this, the pilot refused to give up. As he seemed to be intent on escaping, Sharlock opened fire a second time. The Focke-Wulf immediately burst into flames and rolled to a halt.

As his plane was enveloped in flames the pilot was seen to more or less fall from the cockpit. With his clothes alight he staggered towards the Beaverette. Sharlock had climbed out of the armoured car and approached the pilot. Despite the fact that his uniform was on fire, a short struggle developed between the two, the German pulling free and turning to make a dash for it!

His moment of defiance was short-lived for the Station Commander - Wing Commander (later Group Captain) Peter Townsend - caught him. Once pulled to the ground the German gave up the struggle and, with the help of Sharlock, Townsend finally extinguished his burning clothes."

So that's the connection - in a VERY Holywood-style encounter, Townsend had to lay out the burning pilot!!!
The aircraft was left to burn out, as it was well down to the frame by then.....

From the Great feldgrau Riddle Thread.

A fist fight counts! :lol:
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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Galahad on 11 May 2012 03:34

--On 7 December 1944, the destroyer USS Ward was hit by a kamikaze near Ormoc Bay on Leyte Island in the Philippines. When the resulting fires couldn't be brought under control, she was abandoned and the CO of the destroyer USS O'Brien was ordered to sink her with gunfire, and did so.

--Considering that the Ward was on patrol off Pearl Harbor exactly three years earlier, on 7 December 1941, and fired the first American shots of the Pacific war, sinking a Japanese midget submarine a couple of hours before the attack on Pearl Harbor, that's a kinda spooky coincidence.

--But it gets downright eerie when you factor in that the CO of the O'Brien was William Outerbridge, who was CO of the Ward on 7 December 1941.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 02 Jan 2013 06:47

When the survivors of the 26th Armoured (Algonquin) Regiment staggered back across the Leopold Canal into Moerkerke on the 14th of September 1944, after their failed mission, they were surprised to be each given a cigar by a sergeant from an engineering unit, who had "liberated" a box of cigars from a shell-shattered storefront. One survivor likened the present to receiving a diploma on graduation day.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Kilgore Trout on 02 Jan 2013 07:52

Haven't time to scan all 13 pages of discussion on this topic - have only scanned 5. However: can state with absolute certainty that the story about Chamberlain & Hitler meeting at the BERGHOF in 1938 is unquestionably wrong. The estate was a gift from the Nazi Party to Hitler for his 50th birthday (20 April 1939). In Sep. 1938, it was still under construction and was unoccupied. At least 12 men died making the road up to the estate. This makes the rest of the story about the WWI meeting, to be charitable, highly dubious.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Kingfish on 02 Jan 2013 14:22

On July 27th, 1943 the US task group 16.22 was patrolling west of Kiska when it picked up a series of unknown radar contacts. The order to open fire was given, at which point the battleships Idaho and Mississippi responded with over 500 rounds from their 14" guns.

As it turned out there wasn't a Japanese ship within 200 miles at the time. What the ships were firing on, as best can be determined were rafts of Sootys, a migratory seabird that pass through the Aleutians every year.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby jednastka on 02 Jan 2013 20:48

Graham Clayton wrote:The last military conflict on British soil occurred on the 27th of September 1940, when members of the London Irish Rifles exchanged fire with the crew of a downed Ju-88 bomber - the "Battle of Graveney Marsh"


Just a clarification; are not the Channel Islands considered "British soil"?

To my recollection, they were not liberated until well after D-Day.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 06 Jan 2013 10:48

jednastka wrote:
Graham Clayton wrote:The last military conflict on British soil occurred on the 27th of September 1940, when members of the London Irish Rifles exchanged fire with the crew of a downed Ju-88 bomber - the "Battle of Graveney Marsh"


Just a clarification; are not the Channel Islands considered "British soil"?

To my recollection, they were not liberated until well after D-Day.

Vic


jednastka,

Thanks - I meant the last military conflict on English soil.

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby JeroenPollentier on 08 Feb 2013 23:22

On 20 April 1935, a local paper, the Schweinitz District News-Sheet (Schweinitzer Kreisblatt), printed a large photograph of Hitler on the front page in such a way that part of his head covered the letters ‘itzer’ in the title, leaving the letters ‘Schwein’, the German for ‘pig’, to provide what the Gestapo, who promptly banned the paper for three days, thought of as an insulting description of the Leader. It is unlikely that the offending layout was an accident. (Evans: The Third Reich in Power)

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Takao on 09 Feb 2013 11:39

Kilgore Trout wrote:Haven't time to scan all 13 pages of discussion on this topic - have only scanned 5. However: can state with absolute certainty that the story about Chamberlain & Hitler meeting at the BERGHOF in 1938 is unquestionably wrong. The estate was a gift from the Nazi Party to Hitler for his 50th birthday (20 April 1939). In Sep. 1938, it was still under construction and was unoccupied. At least 12 men died making the road up to the estate. This makes the rest of the story about the WWI meeting, to be charitable, highly dubious.


And I am absolutely certain that you are quite wrong on this account - You are thinking of the Kehlsteinhaus(aka the "Eagle's Nest"). Although the Kehlsteinhaus was "officially" presented to Hitler for his 50th birthday, it had been completed in late 1938.
http://thirdreichruins.com/kehlsteinhaus.htm

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Re: Crazy and strange facts about World War II

Postby Graham Clayton on 25 Feb 2013 04:39

After a Luftwaffe raid on the RAF base at Gosport near Portsmouth on the 16th of August 1940, four Blackburn Rocs were stationed around the perimeter of the airbase with their turrets permanently manned as a crude form of anti-aircraft defence.

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