SS Officer's research

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"K.Nr. 2362" = Kennnummer = identification number
8: "Vorsitzender der III. Kammer am Kreisgericht Münster - Warendorf" =
Chairman of the 3rd chamber/court at the district court Münster - Warendorf

The information at Dienststellung (official position) is the same as under 8. as he added handwritten "des" and the letter "s" at Kreisgericht.
I don´t know how to translate the "Landesinspektor" propperly. It was his job in the fire insurance for Westphalia as Torsten pointed out. Take a look here and hopefully you know what to choose:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector#Germany
I assume he was something like a controller for the whole state there.
https://dict.leo.org/ende/?lang=de&sear ... htsbeamter

Now It's much more clear, thank you very much!
Good explanation of Landesinspektor in Wikipedia and I share your opinion like fire insurance controller on that state. I suppose he has lot of work coordinating them after the allied air attacks. To make a relation I could investigate which squadron of bombers attacked that zone :roll:

The research documents about Jobst Geise are almost finish, now I put one of the final documents with a hand-writting message ¨Comments of the name carrier¨:

Bemerkungen des Namenträgers: ....????...................................
........................................10) .... Recklinghausen??? 1. L. ??.
R... ...................................................ausf ....
...................20 ... 21.
Für Nr. 11 .... ..... Münster (Nr. 23) ...; ...................
............
............................
.........(für Land Lippe)???

...., ???? 1800

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The document...

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Good explanation of Landesinspektor in Wikipedia and I share your opinion like fire insurance controller on that state. I suppose he has lot of work coordinating them after the allied air attacks. To make a relation I could investigate which squadron of bombers attacked that zone :roll:
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You need to remember the date when he wrote this CV and mentioned that he´s still an inspector. You´re showing here eg. files with receipt stamps from 1927. That´s long before WWII and possible air attacks on Germany.

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Yes, you're right and I took another look.
This particular curriculum document "K.Nr. 2362", at least he wrote it the 30.10.1943, when he signs like Abschnittsleiter rank ( Here's another question, he was Abschnittlseiter but inside the Gau or Kreis? Maybe Kreisleiter I'm not sure.

Yes, Torsten transcription was the final document of a correlative personal Geise's info, and the more advanced date there is 1931. The transcription final part says:
wo ich mich auch jetzt noch als Landesinspektor befinde So I can suppose he worked there at least until 1931.

The document you transcribed on the point 8 says that he was apointed Vorsitzender der III. Kammer am Kreisgericht Münster - Warendorf"Chairman of the 3rd chamber/court at the district court Münster - Warendorf¨

And on the point 12 Beruf: Landesinspektor so It's clear there is no any prove that he worked on the fire insurance for Westphalia already. It was only a suposition.
Revising other documents I've seen another from 10.Juli 1943 where it reffers Geise like Landesinspektor and puts: Pg. Geise hat die für einen Parteirichter notwendige Qualifikati on und kann seine Arbeit als in jeder Beziehung gut be- zeichnet werden

I attached the document if we can know his paper on the NSDAP. This one is all transcripted hehe all typewriter and clear not like the Bemerkungen des Namenträgers...

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Gaugericht Westfalen-Nord
Der Leiter des Gaugerichts.
Personalabteilung.
Aft. Nr.: P.328. Zeichen: U./Tsch. Münster i. Westf., den 10. Juli 1943.
Fernruf 24271

Dienstleistungszeugnis
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Der Pg. Jobst Geise, landesinspektor,, Münster
/Westf., Karlstr. 45, Mitglied der Alten Garde, Mitglieds-
nummer 41.104
war von April 1934 bis 30. November 1937 Vorsitzender des
Ortsgerichts Münster-Nord-West, vom 1. Dezember 1937 bis
25.2.1942 ehrenamtlicher Beisitzer beim Gaugericht Westfalen-
Nord. Seit dem 25.2.1942 ist er als Vorsitzender des Kreis-
gerichts Münster-Warendorf III tätig.
Pg. Geise hat die für einen Parteirichter notwendige Qualifikati
on und kann seine Arbeit als in jeder Beziehung gut be-
zeichnet werden. Seine Geschäftsführung ist ebenfalls gut

(H.E.Ummen.)
Leiter des Gaugerichts.
(STAMP) Nationalist Deutsche Arbeiterpartei Gaugericht Gau Westfalen - Nord

Bei Antwortschreiben bitte Aktenzeichen angeben
IV. 37. 15000 Höflichkeitsformen fallen bei allen partei amtlichen Schreiben weg

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I like the last document, George, so easy to transcribe
That´s what a NSDAP - "Abschnittsleiter" - rank insignia looked like, note #17: (since 1938):

Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struktur_ ... #Abzeichen
It seems they are sorted like common military ranks: 1-4 privates, 5- 16 NCO´s, 17 - 30 officers.
Ref. your statement

12 Beruf: Landesinspektor so It's clear there is no any prove that he worked on the fire insurance for Westphalia already. It was only a suposition.

The file doesn´t ask for the active or performing profession. And it´s quite common to state a profession while executing another.
Example:
A former mayor of my hometown. Profession: Profession soldier, last rank: Colonel, General Staff member ( at least 3000 Euro/month). On paid leave of absence from the Austrian Army for his job as mayor (where he got also a 2nd salary ~ 2000 Euro/month, nowadays 2500 Euro), then Member of the State Parliament of Burgenland and finaly Congressman of the National Council (8.583 € /month x 14).

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Hehe yes! Even I can transcript it myself!
Basing on your experience what do you think he was? Gau or Kreis?

I understand, but we can see some appointments like the point 8 so I presume he worked there.
Is there any clue on the last Bemerkungen des Namenträgers document?

Your friend must be very clever to arrive that level! Yes, It was common to see an SS officer work for the NSDAP also.

All the best, George

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I don´t know the source of your "Kreisleiter/Gauleiter" image (BTW, you should mention it to follow the forum rules) but I don´t like it. Take a look here and see the difference in their collar tabs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and ... _positions

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I don´t know the source of your "Kreisleiter/Gauleiter" image (BTW, you should mention it to follow the forum rules) but I don´t like it. Take a look here and see the difference in their collar tabs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and ... _positions

My apologies, they were only pictures from google images when you write Abschnittsleiter collar tab gau or Kreis It's all.:
https://www.google.es/search?q=abschnit ... YQ_AUIBigB

The difference between them is the red wine pipe on Gau and White pipe on Kreis. I don't know where Geise was...

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Kreisleitung Dark brown Dienstleiter Service Leader
Gauleitung Red Wine Oberbefehlsleiter* Senior Command Leader

One of the questions is if Geise was on the Service Leader or Senior Command Leader...

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Hello again, I want to show an interesting ¨Erklärung¨ Declaration, from the SS Obersturmführer Geise:
Erklärung

Ich, Unterzeichneter, Jobst Geise
bin zur Ausübung eines Amtes als ???
bei dem ???= gericht beauftragt worden.
(Kreis ober Gau)
Ich erkläre hiermit, dass ich ausdrücklich darauf hingewiesen worden(Declaro que he señalado expresamente)
bin, dass ich über sämtliche Dienste Vorgänge gleichgültig welcher Art, immer strengstes
Stillschweigen gegenüber jedermann,der nicht dem engeren Dienstbereich
angehört, zu wahren habe.
Ich bestätige ausdrücklich darauf aufmerksam gemacht worden zu fein,
dass eine Verletzung tiefer Verschwiegenheitspflicht, sofortige Amtsenthebung und
Einleitung eines Verfahrens gegen mich, nach sich zieht.
Münster i. ???, den 2. Januar 1935
Jobst Geise
(Unterschrift)

Thanks for your time
George

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Hi George,

the parts in red colour are:
Richter
Orts-gericht
Münster in Westfalen

Cheers

PS.: It´s "(Kreis oder Gau)"

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Hi George,

the parts in red colour are:
Richter
Orts-gericht
Münster in Westfalen

Cheers

PS.: It´s "(Kreis oder Gau)"

What important is a word, to understand a phrase heheh Thank you very much!
I don't understand the sentence Kreis oder Gau, possibly he had a judge position with the possibility to instruct some judgement in matters of a Kreis or Gau's zone?
I will attach another document from him only three days later on 5 Jan. 1935 about the ¨Führungszeugnis¨

Has the document ¨Bemerkungen des Namenträgers¨ got any important information about Geise's paper on the NSDAP?
Have a nice weekend, George

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You´re welcome as always, mate
"Kreis oder Gau" means Geise has to insert if his job as judge is at a county ( = Kreis) or state (= Gau) court. But he filled in "Orts"- gericht = local court. Note that he has to insert in in the 2nd line if he is employed as judge or assessor there.

Best wishes,
Roman

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Thanks for your comments, It's grateful to share this historical information and receive help on it.

Completely right with you... some times I should put some glasses to see that detail... Then he was probably judge on that district ( "Orts"- gericht) Excellent, sure they used the same paper for all three established zones.

The document I was referring is this one:

Bemerkungen des Namenträgers: ???...............................

All the best, George

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I attach the document on 5 Jan. 1935 about the ¨Führungszeugnis¨:
Der Oberbürgermeister Münster i. W., den 5 Jan. 1935.. 193.
als Ortspolizeibehörde.
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Führungszeugnis
De M R...??- Jobst Geise
am. 15..6..1900 zu borghobs.???.. Kreis .-.
geboren, wird amtlich bescheinigt, dass er sie in der Zeit
vom. 10 5 1921 bis ???
? ?
hier polizeilich gemeldet gewesen und dass über ihn sie in der
in der polizeilichen Listen eine Strafe nicht verzeichnet ist.
J.A.
Gebühren ??? ...???
Stadtinspektor
(STAMP)= Der Oberbürgermeister in Münster i. W. als Ortspolizeibehörde

Have a nice sunday, George