4. SS-Panzerjunker-Lehrgang Königsbrück

[RolandP]

Hello

who have any detailed information about the 4. SS-Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang Königsbrück from 4.7./17.07.1944 until 11.11.1944 at Fahnenjunkerschule der PzTr 3 Königsbrück.
Kommander der Schule in Königsbrück : Oberst Bachmann
Kommandeur der Lehrgruppe III: Major Feldtkeller
Führer der 7.Inspektion: Hauptmann Grosser-Schleps.

Beförderung zum Untersturmführern zum 30.1.1945

For active officers, there was an attached course at Oberfähnrich-Schule 1 der Pz.Tr. Potsdam-Krampnitz v. 28. (15.?) 11.44 – 30.01. (28.2. ?) 1945.
Kommandeur der dortigen Lehrgruppe I: Major von Manstein
Führer der 1.Inspektion: Hauptmann Schumacher.

Aus dem 4.SS-Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang werden zum 30.1.1945 befördert:

Zu SS-Untersturmführer:

Neubauer Erich 03.03.24
Poser Hansjürgen 09.04.25
Thielens Arthur 24.03.22
Zimmerling Willi 19.05.21

Zu SS-Untersturmführer der Reserve: (97 St.Ob.Ju.)

Ahrens Rudolf 26.03.23
Bachmeier Karl 21.05.25
Barth Wolfgang 02.02.25
Berg Ludwig 11.04.24
Birkhoff Hans 24.05.14
Blau Rüdiger 04.07.23
Böhm Heinz 19.06.20
Bootz Horst 29.12.23
Bosch Hermann 04.02.21
Brunner Erich 31.01.23
Bühre Helmut 27.12.24 (gest. 27.4.87)
Dally Kurt 14.08.19
Deeg Siegfried 12.08.24
Dietz Arno 20.05.14
Dietzsch Rudolf 22.09.12
Dobiey Helmut 08.12.23
Döring Joachim 07.05.25
Doerk Karl-Rudolf 16.02.25
Dorn Fritz 05.07.22
Eisele Hans 20.02.23
Ellffroth Reinhard 29.11.15
Falk Hugo 26.12.23
Federau Ernst 26.08.24
Fleischhacker Hans 10.03.12
Fogaraschi Franz 03.03.16
Glatzer Robert 15.10.25
Gnedt Karl 06.01.20
Grimm Günter 25.09.24
Gruber Helmut 28.04.25
Hangen Dieter 16.03.24
Haneberg Siegfried 28.06.25
Hansen Kuno 06.03.22
Hartmann Norbert 21.06.13
Hahn gen. Herse Friedrich 13.06.21
Herzig Franz 23.12.22
Hock Fritz 18.07.24
Hoffmann Peter 17.08.19
Hofmann Karl 27.07.24
Hruby Joachim 11.08.24
Jördens Kurt 13.10.22
Kähler Wilhelm 08.03.16
Kerschbaumer Albin 28.04.20
Kettl Walter 22.05.25
Kirchenwitz Hans 27.01.20
Knüpfer Hermann 08.12.24
Köbcke Adolf 26.01.24
Komor Theodor 08.12.24
Krause Erich 02.11.03
Kruse Herbert 13.10.09
Kuhn Karl 16.04.19
Lehmann Kurt 14.11.23
Lenz Helmut 19.08.23
Lindenau Hans 23.06.24
Lochbihler Elmar 13.09.24
Mandl Peter 25.12.19
Mark Bruno 01.07.24
Mathis Ernst 08.05.17
Mayer Friedrich 24.03.24
Meyer Georg 15.08.18
Meyer-Adams Rudolf 02.11.09
Müller Hans 07.03.24
Müller Harald 13.01.26
Nölck Joachim 12.06.23
von Oswald Michael 28.08.23
Ott Walter 13.02.10
Pagenkemper Hans 01.04.10
Perreng Anton 04.07.20
Pietzka Werner 01.08.24
Polz Karl 13.06.20
Rampe Herbert 30.12.21
Reddemann Emil 22.03.04
Reiser Erich 25.08.04
Reiter Valentin 11.02.21
Reither Ernst 12.01.24
Richter Rüdiger 22.08.22
Russ Günther 24.06.21
Rutsch Herbert 24.09.24
Rühl Walter 23.10.24
Sauer Horst 15.10.24
Schauz Hans 19.11.20
Schiechel Friedrich 04.03.09
Schmidt Werner 29.09.20
Schneider Friedrich 14.01.19
Schnepf Willi 13.05.07
Schubert Helmut 19.11.23
Schultes Georg 14.06.22
Schulze Hans 25.05.24
Schwab Christian 31.08.23
Schwappacher Erwin 24.03.20
Seybold Günter 12.12.25
Stengl Walter 29.10.23
Stockinger Dieter 13.09.22
Stoltzenberg Joachim 12.08.23
Sträußler Peter 30.07.22
Tögel Kurt 01.02.25
Turck Hans 09.01.24
Weber Friedrich 03.05.21

There seems to be other absolvents of the course, who weren’t mentioned in this order, f. e. Heinz Gebauer. Could anybody explain this or was there another course apart from 4.Pz.Junker-Lehrgang, and theses absolvents have the same promotion-dates :
1.9.1944 Standartenjunker
9.11.1944 Standartenoberjunker

Regards Roland

[-Michael]

I could only tell you that Thielens was a Flemish SS-Untersturmführer. But I can't tell you much about him, If my note's are correct we was later transfered to the 27. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division «Langemarck». Isn't that strange for somebody who followed a Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang?

[RolandP]

Hallo Stormman,
I know from John P.Moore´s Führerliste, that Thielens was in a SS-Pz.Rgt in 1945, but I have no further infos about him. In 1945, everything was possible. You need Panzer for Panzerjunker, and there were not many in the divisions .. Maybe, he should be transfered to the Pz.Jg.-Kompanie of the SS-Pz.Jg.Abt 27?

Regards Roland

[-Michael]

Hallo Stormman,
I know from John P.Moore´s Führerliste, that Thielens was in a SS-Pz.Rgt in 1945, but I have no further infos about him. In 1945, everything was possible. You need Panzer for Panzerjunker, and there were not many in the divisions .. Maybe, he should be transfered to the Pz.Jg.-Kompanie of the SS-Pz.Jg.Abt 27?

Regards Roland

Oh sorry, it was a mistake, I don't have him listed for the Langemarck-Division!

[RolandP]

Hi,
maybe he was in the socalled Pz.Rgt/SS-FHA, I have no detailed info about this regiment, but it seems, that this unit needs many officers ...
As I stated, in 1945, everything was possible ...
By the way, were there other volunteers in these Panzerjunker-Lehrgänge?

Regards Roland

[-Michael]

Hi,
maybe he was in the socalled Pz.Rgt/SS-FHA, I have no detailed info about this regiment, but it seems, that this unit needs many officers ...
As I stated, in 1945, everything was possible ...
By the way, were there other volunteers in these Panzerjunker-Lehrgänge?

Regards Roland

Yes, I think there where more Flemish volunteers that participated on these Panzer-Junker-Lehrgänge, but I'm not sure (!). I think that SS-Obersturmführer Rosseau participated on such a Lehrgang, and SS-Oberscharführer Colemonts, but he didn't pass. These two men where also decorated with the Ehrenblatt Spange des Heeres.
Could you follow these Panzer-Junker-Lehrgänge also in Bitsch?

Michael

[RolandP]

Hello Stormman,
sorry for answering so late! I have only the first four courses in my files, and for the second, third and fourth only the list of promotion to SS-Untersturmführer.
So I have no information about further Flemish absolvents of this courses. Do you have any dates for Ostuf. Rosseau or Oscha. Colemonts beeing in Puttlos, Fallingbostel or later Königsbrück?


The absolvents of the first course had a Vorbereitungs-Lehrgang within SS-Pz.Ers.Rgt on trainig ground Bitche and were transferred to Putlos. The absolvents of the second course having their Vorbereitungslehrgang in Fallingbostel, to wich the Panzerjunker-courses were transferred after the first course ended.

1. SS-Panzer-Junker-Sonder-Lehrgang PUTLOS 1943 soll vom 17.8. bis 6.11.1943,
for "active" Standartenoberjunker, there were a Lehrgang an der Oberfähnrichschule 1 der PzTr. Zossen/Gross-Glienecke vom 8.11.1943 – 3.3.1944, the "Reserve"-absolvents returned to the SS-Pz.Ers.Rgt and then to their field units.

Vorbereitungslehrgang in Fallingbostel Nov.1943 until Jan. 1944
2. SS-Panzer-Junker-Sonder-Lehrgang FALLINGBOSTEL vom 10.1. bis 5.4.1944
again Lehrgang an der Oberfähnrichschule 1 der Pz.Tr. Zossen/Gross-Glienecke von April 1944 bis 5.7.1944

There was a course at Oberfähnrichschule der Panzertruppe I (Wehrmacht) nach Könisgbrück bei Dresden vom 1.12.1943 - 9.11.1944, he had no "Panzerjunker-"number, but there seems to be about 100 SS-Junker. Promotion dates for this course:
Zum SS-Junker am 01.08.44 mit Wirkung vom 01.07.44
Zum SS-Standartenjunker am 22.09.44 mit Wirkung vom 01.09.44
Zum SS-Standartenoberjunker am 01.11.44 mit Wirkung vom 09.11.44
Zum SS-Untersturmführer am 30.01.45 mit Wirkung vom 30.01.45

No infos about the Vorbereitungslehrgang, maybe Jan. til March 1944?
3.Panzer-Junker-Sonder-Lehrgang Fallingbostel von 25.4. bis 8.7.1944
again Lehrgang an der Oberfähnrichschule 2 der Panzertruppenschule Wischau b. Brünn der 4. Oberfähnrichlehrgang vom 24.Juli bis 5.od.7.November 1944

No infos about the Vorbereitungslehrgang, maybe at SS-Pz.Unterführer-Lehr-Abt on SS-training ground "Seelager" ?
4.Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang 1944 Königsbrück vom 4.7./17.07.1944 bis 11.11.1944
at Fahnenjunkerschule der PzTr 3 Königsbrück
again a Lehrgang am der Oberfähnrich-Schule 1 der Pz.Tr. Potsdam-Krampnitz v. 28. (15.?)11.44 – 30.01. (28.2. ?) 1945

Vorbereitungslehrgang at SS-Pz.Gren.A.u.E-Btl 5 Ellwangen and SS-Pz.Ausb.u.Ers.Rgt, now on training ground Sennelager near Paderborn.
5.Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang Fahnenjunkerschule d.PzTr 3 Königsbrück von 01.10.1944 bis 15.02.45
followed by a Oberfähnrich-Lehrgang Oberfähnrichschule der PzTr 2 Wischau v. 1.4. – planned until 31.7.1945

Vorbereitungslehrgang at SS-Pz.Ausb.u.Ers.Rgt, Sennelager
6.Panzer-Junker-Lehrgang started on 1.4.1945 at Königsbrück, and was transferred to Landshut and should last until 31.7.1945. The absolvents were transferred to a combat group and send to action in the Coburg area.

Any additional informations about absolvents and staff personal?

Regards Roland

[RolandP]

Hi, I just want to recall: is there any additional informations about absolvents and staff personal for this courses ?
Regards Roland

[Jan-Hendrik]

Well, the main problem is that the only "real work" on the school system of the Panzertruppe, Helmut Ritgen's Die Schulen der Panzertruppen des Heeres, collects many interesting details and memories concerning these schools, but the commanded SS-Personell is only mentioned "am Rande" :roll:

Jan-Hendrik

[RolandP]

Hi Jan Hendrik,
strange enough, that the schools of the Panzertruppe doesn’t have a "first class" history because of the importance of these schools for the envelopment of this units, it is clear, that these small classes of members of the Waffen-SS seemed to be forgotten, but I hoped to get some further information right from former members of these schools … in vain, I suppose!!!

Regards Roland

[Jan-Hendrik]

Well, if Mr. Ritgen, helped by the "Freundeskreis der Offiziere der Panzertruppe", had not done this job it would been already lost...he still had the opportunity to ask his comrades who were participants of the Lehrgänge, Ausbilder or Kommandeure of these institutions...most of them are already gone..only Ritgen is still alive nearly 92 years old!

Jan-Hendrik

[Jan-Hendrik]

Participants of 1.Panzerjunker-Lehrgang

Jan-Hendrik

[Jan-Hendrik]

Another Panzerjunkerlehrgang der Waffen-SS was Held from October 1944 on at the Fahnenjunkerschule III in Königsbrück near Dresden.

Names:

- Chef 8.Inspektion Hstuf. Astheger
- youngest Junker with 18 years: Rudolf Kreis

Soruce: Rudolf Kreis Die Toten sind immer die anderen, p.427

Jan-Hendrik

[Jan-Hendrik]

Last Junkerlehrgang in Königsbrück was moved to Landshut in 1945, a mixed up one with Heer and SS Offiziersbewerber. Were used as a Kampfgruppe in the Endkampf (does anybody know nmes of Kdre. or Fhr.?).

Jan-Hendrik

[Hardigan]

Does anyone have the names of the 2. SS-Panzer-Junker Lehrgang ?