Oberg & Heydrich
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Oberg and Knochen in the Military Court,Paris 22 February 1954." The right to believe is the right of those who don't know "
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Scheier was Minister in Auswärtiges Amt hierarchy not Ministerialrat (prior that he was Generalkonsul). Schleier was before the war Landesgruppenleiter der Auslandsorganisation in France.
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in the same year an important exhibition against communism was organised in Paris. on this SZeitung pic this SS-Oberführer was identified as Ingemar Berndt.
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Hmmm. He looks nothing like Berndt, in my opinion.
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Mike,Michael Miller wrote:Hmmm. He looks nothing like Berndt, in my opinion.
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this time I disagree with you . I'd say it is him.
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I reevaluate my earlier statement. The angle of his face threw me off. I agree to Berndt.
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It is interesting to read what Ohlendorf had to say about Berndt:
Testimony of Dr. Otto OHLENDORF
Taken at: Nuremberg, Germany
10:30 - 11:30, 10 January 1946
Taken by: Lt. Col. S.W. Brookhardt, Jr.
GUSCC. Also Present:
Interpreter: Alfred Booth
Reporter: Wilhelmina C. Frey
-excerpt begins-
Q: Turning now to the second case of which you previously spoke, that was B-E-R-E-N-D-T?
A: I believe that is B-E-R-N-D-T.
Q: Will you relate what you know about the case?
A: Berndt was at that time Ministerial Director in the Propaganda Ministry. He had been temporarily on military service and was Aid to Rommel in North Africa.
Q: With what rank?
A: I cannot say. At least as an officer and he had made strong propaganda for Rommel and for this he received the German cross of gold.
Q: What was his full name?
A: Ingemar Berndt. He was a man who was obsessed by a burning ambition and who had no control over himself. He looked as if he would explode at any moment and was known for his lack of truthfulness and for his intrigues. He was removed by Goebbels from the Propaganda Ministry in the course of 1944, but I don’t recollect right now what external cause was for his dismissal. I would assume it was for irresponsible actions; but I am not able to say that definitely.
Q: What did he do in the case of the American flyer?
A: He must have been on a trip by car and he must have encountered this American flyer on the road.
Q: Where did this occur?
A: In the vicinity of Berlin.
Q: When?
A: I cannot say that precisely.
Q: Can you give the year?
A: That also was in 1944.
Q: How did the matter come to your attention?
A: Again through a luncheon and because some of the maps and
food ration and equipment of this flyer were shown.
Q: At the luncheon?
A: No, at the end of the luncheon when we left the room I believe the Chief of Amt VI held these things in his hand.
Q: Schellenberg?
A: Not Schellenberg himself, but he must know the case too. The map was the well-known silk handkerchief.
Q: What was the name of the flyer?
A; I don’t know that.
Q: Do you know his rank?
A: I believe it was an enlisted man.
Q: What happened as far as Berndt was concerned.
A: I have not followed this case after that. It was not made the subject of our luncheon discussions.
Q: After he came across this American flyer on the road, what did he do?
A: He shot him.
Q: Forthwith?
A: Yes, but I can add here a detail which I have heard later, not from the RSHA but from other sources, I believe from General Westhoff, and I believe that he would be in a position to give more detailed information. That is, to the effect that the flyer had pleaded with Berndt for his life and was nevertheless shot by Berndt, but I do not know exactly whether or not it was General Westhoff. In my opinion Mueller had tried to obscure this matter later on.
Q: That is the chief of Amt IV?
A: Yes.
Q: Who was in company with Berndt when the shooting took place?
A: I cannot say that. It was either foreign laborers or PW’s who told this story and it must have been spread.
Q: How did he story come to the attention of RSHA?
A: If I can recollect correctly, it was Berndt himself who reported to RSHA and surrendered the effects of the flyer.
Q: And what action was taken affecting Berndt?
A: I cannot say. In any case it was dealt with by Mueller.
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Can anyone say what was the fate of Ingemar Berndt?
Testimony of Dr. Otto OHLENDORF
Taken at: Nuremberg, Germany
10:30 - 11:30, 10 January 1946
Taken by: Lt. Col. S.W. Brookhardt, Jr.
GUSCC. Also Present:
Interpreter: Alfred Booth
Reporter: Wilhelmina C. Frey
-excerpt begins-
Q: Turning now to the second case of which you previously spoke, that was B-E-R-E-N-D-T?
A: I believe that is B-E-R-N-D-T.
Q: Will you relate what you know about the case?
A: Berndt was at that time Ministerial Director in the Propaganda Ministry. He had been temporarily on military service and was Aid to Rommel in North Africa.
Q: With what rank?
A: I cannot say. At least as an officer and he had made strong propaganda for Rommel and for this he received the German cross of gold.
Q: What was his full name?
A: Ingemar Berndt. He was a man who was obsessed by a burning ambition and who had no control over himself. He looked as if he would explode at any moment and was known for his lack of truthfulness and for his intrigues. He was removed by Goebbels from the Propaganda Ministry in the course of 1944, but I don’t recollect right now what external cause was for his dismissal. I would assume it was for irresponsible actions; but I am not able to say that definitely.
Q: What did he do in the case of the American flyer?
A: He must have been on a trip by car and he must have encountered this American flyer on the road.
Q: Where did this occur?
A: In the vicinity of Berlin.
Q: When?
A: I cannot say that precisely.
Q: Can you give the year?
A: That also was in 1944.
Q: How did the matter come to your attention?
A: Again through a luncheon and because some of the maps and
food ration and equipment of this flyer were shown.
Q: At the luncheon?
A: No, at the end of the luncheon when we left the room I believe the Chief of Amt VI held these things in his hand.
Q: Schellenberg?
A: Not Schellenberg himself, but he must know the case too. The map was the well-known silk handkerchief.
Q: What was the name of the flyer?
A; I don’t know that.
Q: Do you know his rank?
A: I believe it was an enlisted man.
Q: What happened as far as Berndt was concerned.
A: I have not followed this case after that. It was not made the subject of our luncheon discussions.
Q: After he came across this American flyer on the road, what did he do?
A: He shot him.
Q: Forthwith?
A: Yes, but I can add here a detail which I have heard later, not from the RSHA but from other sources, I believe from General Westhoff, and I believe that he would be in a position to give more detailed information. That is, to the effect that the flyer had pleaded with Berndt for his life and was nevertheless shot by Berndt, but I do not know exactly whether or not it was General Westhoff. In my opinion Mueller had tried to obscure this matter later on.
Q: That is the chief of Amt IV?
A: Yes.
Q: Who was in company with Berndt when the shooting took place?
A: I cannot say that. It was either foreign laborers or PW’s who told this story and it must have been spread.
Q: How did he story come to the attention of RSHA?
A: If I can recollect correctly, it was Berndt himself who reported to RSHA and surrendered the effects of the flyer.
Q: And what action was taken affecting Berndt?
A: I cannot say. In any case it was dealt with by Mueller.
-excerpt ends-
Can anyone say what was the fate of Ingemar Berndt?
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Hello,
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we have a thread on him http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 03#p455003Landsberger wrote:Can anyone say what was the fate of Ingemar Berndt?
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Thank you, a very interesting thread and a picture of Berndt in an audience looking,
as Ohlendorf described " as if he would explode at any moment."
Perhaps this should be on the other thread, but is there any other reference to Berndt shooting
dead an American flyer and repercussions thereof , or did Mueller, again Ohlendorf, "deal with it?"
as Ohlendorf described " as if he would explode at any moment."
Perhaps this should be on the other thread, but is there any other reference to Berndt shooting
dead an American flyer and repercussions thereof , or did Mueller, again Ohlendorf, "deal with it?"
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Edit by Repetition of others threads ! Oberg R.I.P
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It's a recurrent question but I can't remerber if the SS-Staf (first pic) was :
Staf. der Allgemeinen SS and Stubaf. (F) Herman Bickler former alsacian Kreisleiter of Strasbourg and r leader of the Abteilung VI im Stab BdS b. Milbfhb. Frankreich
Staf. der Allgemeinen SS and Stubaf. (F) Herman Bickler former alsacian Kreisleiter of Strasbourg and r leader of the Abteilung VI im Stab BdS b. Milbfhb. Frankreich
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This topic has been discussed again and again and I'm still waiting for the next resurgence by the same authors in a new thread. It's enough to drive you up the wall
See here
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... g#p1504705
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... nt#p503792
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... is#p105858
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See here
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... g#p1504705
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... nt#p503792
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... is#p105858
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Re: Oberg & Heydrich
Botschaftsrat und Gesandter Rudolf SCHLEIER, 1899 - 1959.
He was also an SS-Sturmbannführer in the SD.
He was also an SS-Sturmbannführer in the SD.
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Rudolf Schleier was never member of the SS
he was former Landesgruppenleiter der Auslandsorganisation der NSDAP for France up the war then he joined german embassy in Paris with rank of Generalkonsul (1940) he became the representative of Otto Abetz and was ranked of Gesandter in 41 then Gesander 1. Klasse in 1943. On 1944 he was Dirigent der Kulturpolitischen Abteilung in Foreign Office.
(source Döscher SS und Auswärtiges Amt im Dritten Reich)
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he was former Landesgruppenleiter der Auslandsorganisation der NSDAP for France up the war then he joined german embassy in Paris with rank of Generalkonsul (1940) he became the representative of Otto Abetz and was ranked of Gesandter in 41 then Gesander 1. Klasse in 1943. On 1944 he was Dirigent der Kulturpolitischen Abteilung in Foreign Office.
(source Döscher SS und Auswärtiges Amt im Dritten Reich)
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Georges JEROME wrote:Rudolf Schleier was never member of the SS
he was former Landesgruppenleiter der Auslandsorganisation der NSDAP for France up the war then he joined german embassy in Paris with rank of Generalkonsul (1940) he became the representative of Otto Abetz and was ranked of Gesandter in 41 then Gesander 1. Klasse in 1943. On 1944 he was Dirigent der Kulturpolitischen Abteilung in Foreign Office.
(source Döscher SS und Auswärtiges Amt im Dritten Reich)
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I think is necessary to add this thread of his photo .
Andrey.