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Jeckeln execution?

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Post by Michal78 » 29 Jun 2007, 18:30

On this pic is an execution in Riga...could anybody confirm if is it the photo taken during the Jeckeln execution?

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Post by Max Williams » 29 Jun 2007, 19:56

I believe there were 8 people hanged simultaneously during the afternoon of 3 Feb 1946, including Jeckeln. They were stood on the backs of lorries under the scaffold and the lorries drove off, leaving them to dangle. It was captured on film.
This photo does not show 8 loops on the scaffold, so I would guess it's not the same event.
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Post by Michal78 » 29 Jun 2007, 22:16

Max

I think there were only 7 people executed at Riga.

Friedrich Werther : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Bronislav Pavel : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Friedrich Jeckeln : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Wolfgang von Ditfurth : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Siegfried Ruff : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Hans Küpper : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Albrecht Graf Digeon von Montenon : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)

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Post by Max Williams » 30 Jun 2007, 00:51

goofy wrote:Max

I think there were only 7 people executed at Riga.

Friedrich Werther : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Bronislav Pavel : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Friedrich Jeckeln : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Wolfgang von Ditfurth : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Siegfried Ruff : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Hans Küpper : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)
Albrecht Graf Digeon von Montenon : The Death Sentence (Executed on the 3rd February 1946)

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According to Dieter Zinke, there were 8 (see http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 173#585173 ) :
Defendants in Riga 03.02.1946 (all of them were hanged):
Generalleutnant Siegfried Ruff, Wehrmachtkommandeur Riga and cdr. Division Nr. 609 (Breslau),
Generalleutnant Albrecht Baron Digeon von Monteton, Kommandant von Libau,
Generalleutnant Wolfgang von Ditfurth, 1940 / 41 cdr. 403. Sicherungsdivision,
SS-OGrupf. u. Gen.d.Pol. Friedrich Jeckeln, former HSSPF Ostland,
Generalmajor Friedrich Werther, 1944 Kommandant der Küstenbefestigung von Riga,
Generalmajor Bronislaw (Bruno) Pawel, General z.b.V., der Heeresgruppe Nord resp. Kurland,
Generalmajor Hans Küpper, Feldkommandant in Kurland, 1945 Kommandant von Frauenburg,
SA-Standartenführer Alexander Becking
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Post by Michal78 » 01 Jul 2007, 19:16

Max

I am a little bit confused. The photo taken during Riga trial shows only 7 men and on the website http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=362 is stated the same number of accused.

What is your source Dieter?

Thx.

G.

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Post by trespasser07 » 05 Feb 2013, 21:49

Friedrich Jeckeln came into Soviet custody after the war. He was, interrogated, tried, convicted and hanged in Riga on February 3, 1946. Against popular misconception, the execution did not happen in the territory of the former Riga ghetto, but in Victory square.
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Post by Max Williams » 06 Feb 2013, 15:25

If this is a photo of the execution, it doesn't look much like a square. It does look like a large area cleared of buildings as in the case of the former ghetto.
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Post by harmel » 06 Feb 2013, 18:08

The third man from the left is possibly Albrecht Graf Digeon von Montenon.
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Post by Michal78 » 06 Feb 2013, 21:31

I don't know details of Jeckeln's execution but this is the photo from the same event and hanged man looks like him indeed. Even uniform seems to be the same which he wore during the trial (with no buttons). Any suggestions? Thanks
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Post by Max Williams » 06 Feb 2013, 22:33

goofy wrote:I don't know details of Jeckeln's execution but this is the photo from the same event and hanged man looks like him indeed. Even uniform seems to be the same which he wore during the trial (with no buttons). Any suggestions? Thanks
Michal
Michal,
I have doubts that this is the same execution. Look at the shape of the supports in both photos. One appears squared and the other appears rounded. As for the tunic buttons, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the defendants had no buttons. I also don't think your man looks much like Jeckeln.
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Post by trespasser07 » 07 Feb 2013, 00:55

The uniform on the hanged man does look the same as the one Jeckeln had on at his trial at least.

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Post by Max Williams » 07 Feb 2013, 01:42

trespasser07 wrote:The uniform on the hanged man does look the same as the one Jeckeln had on at his trial at least.

Regards.
Not surprising. It looks like six of the defendants wore the same or similar tunics at their trial.
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Post by Andrey » 07 Feb 2013, 07:38

Max Williams wrote:
goofy wrote:I don't know details of Jeckeln's execution but this is the photo from the same event and hanged man looks like him indeed. Even uniform seems to be the same which he wore during the trial (with no buttons). Any suggestions? Thanks
Michal
Michal,
I have doubts that this is the same execution. Look at the shape of the supports in both photos. One appears squared and the other appears rounded. As for the tunic buttons, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the defendants had no buttons. I also don't think your man looks much like Jeckeln.
Regards,
Max.
Sorry Max, but in this case I disagree with you.
Michal right. It's the same place, the same execution, and this is hanged man is Friedrich Jeckeln.
1.Jeckeln photo which showed Michal is well known for a long time in USSR/Russia. But just this photo taken from a different angle, - see please, the arrow in the attached photo.
2.This is gallows supports might be made of timbers/logs from the destroyed houses - they have usually one side (internal), not rounded. This construction of the wooden houses in USSR/Russia was early common, especially in cities.
3.If we compare many Jeckeln photos on this court and the penalty, the similarity, in my opinion, without a doubt.
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Re: Jeckeln execution?

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Post by Max Williams » 07 Feb 2013, 13:33

I'm not saying this is definitely a different execution, but that I have doubts.
As for this being a well known photo in Russia for a long time, I'm sorry, but Russian photos do not exactly have the best track record at providing correct information. :D
Well, the crossbeam is definitely squared and not rounded at all on any side as can be seen at extreme left end. I doubt they would have used different beams and also placed the uprights all at the same angle, nice and neat with squared sides all facing the same way. This tends to shoot down your house beam theory, but, as I said in my previous post, I don't know the details, but the doubts remain and I'd need more proof than you've provided. Sorry.
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Post by Max Williams » 07 Feb 2013, 14:11

I have just been reminded of an interview I saw in the 1980s. I don't have it now, but this latvian historian talked about the execution of generals in Riga, off the back of trucks. He mentioned the scaffold made from lengths of timber that were normally cut down to size and used for railway sleepers. This does make more sense and looking at the photo of the scaffold posted by Michal, it tends to bear out what he was saying. Also, looking more closely at Michal's image, the uprights do look to have 90 degree angles without any rounding. Sorry, but now I'm more convinced your house beam theory is mistaken.
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